If only the Reds would have known his son was going to be close to death for months, maybe they would have spent "wiser". He's been a solid SS for the entirety of his career.

 

I'm not sure where you get the "Gonzo Era". He's nothing more than a solid veteran playing at the valued price. Since when is the team in Boston built around the SS? Please...

 

You gave me grief because "You didn't like him from his year in Boston, got it..." However, you are giving him too much of a break because he had a family tragedy last year. He's hurt again this season isn't he? It is very telling that the Red Sox could have had him back for less than $4million and yet they chose to sign Julio Lugo for more than that. Why? Because they could depend on Lugo to take the field every day. Gonzalez only was able to take the field 124 times in 2005 and moved down to 111 with the Sox. You'll now have to go back to 2004 to get a season when he played over 130 games. Like I said, I like the guy. He's fun to watch and a good clubhouse guy but you were the one touting him as a "keeper" go on, keep him. Theo saw that he wasn't dependable--I trust his eye much more than yours. But hey, enjoy Gonzo--overvalue him all you want. He's the Reds problem, and I don't care. The organization that I support knows what it takes to win.

What could the Reds have fetched for Adam Dunn two years ago? Is it the same as today? I don't think so.

 

Let's hear some names they could have got two years ago and where they are now...

You wanna talk Boston and SS... I would have reoccuring nightmares about trading Hanley.

What could the Reds have fetched for Adam Dunn two years ago? Is it the same as today? I don't think so.

Sell high ...

 

I see the Harang arguement, but I keep him if I'm the Reds.

Maybe so ... but it sure doesn't hurt to look and see what he might bring. And if you don't get an offer you like, you keep him.

The key to rebuilding the Reds is simple. Acquire pitching in every trade you make. It doesn't have to be a stud prospect, but just a pitcher. For the most part they have been doing this.

Nothing wrong with that ...

Key to rebuilding the Reds is to get pitching in every trade? So you want to trade our best pitcher for pitching prospects?

 

 

Got it!

 

Harang's contract is worth more than what he can bring in for him. You don't sign guys like that for that amount of money everyday. Look what Big Z got paid and he is no better than Harang.

Key to rebuilding the Reds is to get pitching in every trade? So you want to trade our best pitcher for pitching prospects?

 

 

Got it!

Who are you reading? I never said trade Harang. I said keep him. But you should always get an arm in any deal you make. Even if you are trading Harang, make sure there is pitching in the deal. After all, it's how the Reds got Harang in the first place.

Who are you reading? I never said trade Harang. I said keep him. But you should always get an arm in any deal you make. Even if you are trading Harang, make sure there is pitching in the deal. After all, it's how the Reds got Harang in the first place.

 

I know I am talking to West.

Doesn't it seem like baseball teams are going for pitching once again? I mean teams are stocking up on them like no other, whether it's in the draft or making deals to get pitching prospects.

By the way... if Walt is on this board.. you could probably get Barry Zito pretty cheap, if your looking for someone to chew up innings.

You wanna talk Boston and SS... I would have reoccuring nightmares about trading Hanley.

 

No recurring nightmares here. The Marlins can have Hanley for awhile, he'll be traded or signed away soon enough. However, the Sox got Beckett, Lowell and the 2007 World Series Title for Hanley, no regrets and a very weak arguement:lol::thumb:. I'll gladly trade that, wouldn't you? Actually, the Reds would just like to get a playoff appearance for their work.

Here's the man in charge of doing the rebuilding....

 

Consider:

 

Jocketty landed, via trade, Mark McGwire, Jim Edmonds, Edgar Renteria, Darryl Kile, Scott Rolen, Dennis Eckersley, Todd Stottlemyre, Fernando Vina, Larry Walker, Will Clark, Adam Wainwright, and Woody Williams.

 

Here are the most notable players he gave up to get them: Eric Ludwick, T.J. Mathews, Kent Bottenfield, Adam Kennedy, Braden Looper, Pablo Ozuna, Manny Aybar, Jose Jimenez, Placido Polanco, Bud Smith, Steve Montgomery, Jay Witasick, Juan Acevedo, Chris Narveson, Jose Leon, one year of J.D. Drew, and the waning days of Ray Lankford’s career.

 

It’s an astonishing haul. Generally Jocketty would use the same formula: go after some established but underappreciated star, give up a few middling prospects for him, let him soak in the cozy St. Louis fan experience, win ballgames, re-sign the guy to an extension (often with a hometown discount), win more ballgames, then repeat the whole process as one big feedback loop. Jocketty was a master at that (and he was probably the best trading-deadline dealer there ever was – that’s how he got McGwire, Clark, Williams, Rolen, Walker, Chuck Finley, and Fernando Tatis).

 

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No recurring nightmares here. The Marlins can have Hanley for awhile, he'll be traded or signed away soon enough. However, the Sox got Beckett, Lowell and the 2007 World Series Title for Hanley, no regrets and a very weak arguement:lol::thumb:. I'll gladly trade that, wouldn't you? Actually, the Reds would just like to get a playoff appearance for their work.

 

Hanley is the best player in baseball on a bad team. And a top 5 player in the game. The world series is good... but that is a tough lump to swallow. I would take Hanley over AROD right now. Imagine Hanley on a team where they didnt have to pitch around him.

Here's the man in charge of doing the rebuilding....

 

Consider:

 

Jocketty landed, via trade, Mark McGwire, Jim Edmonds, Edgar Renteria, Darryl Kile, Scott Rolen, Dennis Eckersley, Todd Stottlemyre, Fernando Vina, Larry Walker, Will Clark, Adam Wainwright, and Woody Williams.

 

Here are the most notable players he gave up to get them: Eric Ludwick, T.J. Mathews, Kent Bottenfield, Adam Kennedy, Braden Looper, Pablo Ozuna, Manny Aybar, Jose Jimenez, Placido Polanco, Bud Smith, Steve Montgomery, Jay Witasick, Juan Acevedo, Chris Narveson, Jose Leon, one year of J.D. Drew, and the waning days of Ray Lankford’s career.

 

It’s an astonishing haul. Generally Jocketty would use the same formula: go after some established but underappreciated star, give up a few middling prospects for him, let him soak in the cozy St. Louis fan experience, win ballgames, re-sign the guy to an extension (often with a hometown discount), win more ballgames, then repeat the whole process as one big feedback loop. Jocketty was a master at that (and he was probably the best trading-deadline dealer there ever was – that’s how he got McGwire, Clark, Williams, Rolen, Walker, Chuck Finley, and Fernando Tatis).

 

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But only Wainwright, Edmonds and Rolen were part of the World Series Title. Jocketty is good but Epstein acquired Ortiz, Schilling, Crisp, Lowell, Beckett, Lugo, Drew, Matzusaka, Okijima etc. Actually, Cashman has managed to acquire Matsui, Damon, Abreu, A-Rod, Chamberlain, Pettitte etc. The Cards got lucky and rode a hot steak to a Title. There are better GMs, serveral a lot better, and with better resources than WJ.

Hanley is the best player in baseball on a bad team. And a top 5 player in the game. The world series is good... but that is a tough lump to swallow. I would take Hanley over AROD right now. Imagine Hanley on a team where they didnt have to pitch around him.

 

That's a great thing for the Marlins. However, why did the Red Sox trade him? To help their team, where did each team finish? I think we all know. Sometimes you have to give up quality to win right now. I'll trade all of Hanley's All-Star appearances for last season's title. Would you give up Jay Bruce for a Title this season? You bet you would. I really like Hanley and hope that he is a Hall of Famer. However, the Red Sox did exactly the right thing when they traded him and neither I, nor the Red Sox fans, nor the front office has nightmares about trading him. We won with Julio Lugo at shortstop last season, we could have won with Alex Cora if need be but no way do we win without Lowell and Beckett. Hollow arguement on your part, no matter where Hanley ranks.

That's a great thing for the Marlins. However, why did the Red Sox trade him? To help their team, where did each team finish? I think we all know. Sometimes you have to give up quality to win right now. I'll trade all of Hanley's All-Star appearances for last season's title. Would you give up Jay Bruce for a Title this season? You bet you would. I really like Hanley and hope that he is a Hall of Famer. However, the Red Sox did exactly the right thing when they traded him and neither I, nor the Red Sox fans, nor the front office has nightmares about trading him. We won with Julio Lugo at shortstop last season, we could have won with Alex Cora if need be but no way do we win without Lowell and Beckett. Hollow arguement on your part, no matter where Hanley ranks.

 

Hollow argument to trade probably the best player in baseball in 2-3 years. Each organization has certain players that should be untouchable, and he clearly should have been it. As everyone else has pointed out they haven't truely replaced him and probably will not find a talent like that for another 10-20 years.

 

If he was a Red Sox right now he would be leading them to the world series along with Manny's always consistent bat.

 

And NO I would not trade Bruce under any circumstance. 1 possible playoff run is not worth drafting a kid, bringing him into your system, and passing up on 10 years of all star stats for one playoff run, that may turn in to a WS.

 

Yankee's tried trading all their prospects and there currently banking on guys like Mike Mussina. No thanks.