The all public school Sweet 16 is all the more the reason public and private schools do not need separate classifications in any sport.

 

Basketball is King at many schools in KY and most public schools put a lot of effort into their basketball programs and it shows.

 

Kudos to all the representatives this year. Furthermore, all you public school football guys need to figure out why your basketball gals and guys can get it done in the public setting but you can't do it in football?

 

On the girls' side of the equation, remember this will be the first time in 6 or 7 years that the champion is not a private school. So, it will be interesting to see if this is the beginning of a trend or a blip on the radar.

 

For the girls' side, you would need to include with football, the sports of volleyball, softball, soccer where private schools have also had a tremendous amount of success.

On the girls' side of the equation, remember this will be the first time in 6 or 7 years that the champion is not a private school. So, it will be interesting to see if this is the beginning of a trend or a blip on the radar.

 

For the girls' side, you would need to include with football, the sports of volleyball, softball, soccer where private schools have also had a tremendous amount of success.

 

 

I agree with you LBBC as to the bolded part. Which is why I believe that in those other sports that you mentioned along with football, the public schools for a long time have shown no where near the level of committment and support that they have with boys basketball, whereas some private schools have. Which is the major reason why the public schools have competed so poorly in competition; not open vs closed, not urban vs rural and not private vs public. The publics for a long time didn't have to put committment to those other sports to attract students; they came automatically. Its only of late that athletics have become so much more important of a factor in what school the kids will attend and the public schools are way behind the power curve. Rather than fess up that they themselves are responsible for students wanting to attend other schools due to the public schools own gross inattention to the other sports, they want to come up with some excuse, some unfairness, something the privates are doing improperly to justify the situation, which is pitiful to me.

 

One of these days the public schools will come to the realization that competition for students has arrived and will start responding in the right manner (I hope).

 

And Guru, you are spot on my friend.

I agree with you LBBC as to the bolded part. Which is why I believe that in those other sports that you mentioned along with football, the public schools for a long time have shown no where near the level of committment and support that they have with boys basketball, whereas some private schools have. Which is the major reason why the public schools have competed so poorly in competition; not open vs closed, not urban vs rural and not private vs public. The publics for a long time didn't have to put committment to those other sports to attract students; they came automatically. Its only of late that athletics have become so much more important of a factor in what school the kids will attend and the public schools are way behind the power curve. Rather than fess up that they themselves are responsible for students wanting to attend other schools due to the public schools own gross inattention to the other sports, they want to come up with some excuse, some unfairness, something the privates are doing improperly to justify the situation, which is pitiful to me.

 

One of these days the public schools will come to the realization that competition for students has arrived and will start responding in the right manner (I hope).

 

You are correct in most of what you say.

 

Still doesn't mean there are not major advantages that open schools have over closed schools. And advantages that closed schools can do nothing about.

 

For example, I will have a spring league basketball team. For some of my players it will be a 90 minute drive ONE WAY for them to play one game. At the expected $4.00 a gallon, it takes more for them to get to this level than the people in NKY that live 20 minutes from SOAS.

 

And that child is lucky their parents can afford it. There are many who would like to participate and their parents cannot afford it and thus cannot make that commitment.

You are correct in most of what you say.

 

Still doesn't mean there are not major advantages that open schools have over closed schools. And advantages that closed schools can do nothing about.

 

For example, I will have a spring league basketball team. For some of my players it will be a 90 minute drive ONE WAY for them to play one game. At the expected $4.00 a gallon, it takes more for them to get to this level than the people in NKY that live 20 minutes from SOAS.

 

And that child is lucky their parents can afford it. There are many who would like to participate and their parents cannot afford it and thus cannot make that commitment.

 

LBBC, I think you are dead on in the stated advandtages you have shown time and time agian from the differnces between rural and urban schools. I would say that more of what you and many of us belive is about to pop up in what may be newly sanctioned KHSAA sports soon. If you look for current HS Hockey, Lacrosse, and Field Hockey teams, you will probably only find them in the Urban areas. Lexington and Louisville have had these teams as club sports for a while. I don't know, but assume that NKY is getting them going as well. People will also see that many private schools are the ones involved in these sports as well. I have a feeling that early commitment, and the ability for early commitment, are going to be reasons why these sports might be urban, and to some people, private school dominated in the near future. I know that many schools in rural areas (public or private) probably do not have the access to the resources to currently be sucessful in these sports, and that rural/urban will probably be the base of any divison we see in the future.

FYI!! KHSAA Girls Sweet Sixteen State Champions Year Champion Score Runner-Up Venue

1975 Louisville Butler 60-43 Barren County McBrayer Arena, Richmond

1976 Louisville Sacred Heart 68-55 Louisville Butler McBrayer Arena, Richmond

1977 Laurel County[38] 48-46 Paris McBrayer Arena, Richmond

1978 Laurel County[38] 63-48 Breathitt County McBrayer Arena, Richmond

1979 Laurel County[38] 43-36 Lexington Lafayette McBrayer Arena, Richmond

1980 Louisville Butler 65-49 Franklin County[40] McBrayer Arena, Richmond

1981 Pulaski County 50-42 Marshall County McBrayer Arena, Richmond

1982 Marshall County 48-44 Louisville Mercy McBrayer Arena, Richmond

1983 Warren Central 57-49 Whitesburg [41] McBrayer Arena, Richmond

1984 Marshall County 55-53 Belfry McBrayer Arena, Richmond

1985 Whitley County 38-37 Louisville Atherton Diddle Arena, Bowling Green

1986 Oldham County[42] 49-48 Franklin-Simpson Diddle Arena, Bowling Green

1987 Laurel County[38] 50-48 Louisville Doss Diddle Arena, Bowling Green

1988 Louisville Southern 57-34 Oldham County[42] Civic Center, Frankfort

1989 Clay County 48-44 George Rogers Clark Civic Center, Frankfort

1990 Lexington Henry Clay 62-50 Louisville Southern Diddle Arena, Bowling Green

1991 Laurel County[38] 33-31 George Rogers Clark Civic Center, Frankfort

1992 Louisville Mercy 44-38 Clay County McBrayer Arena, Richmond

1993 Nicholas County 48-46 Warren East Civic Center, Frankfort

1994 M.C. Napier[43] 88-56 Fort Thomas Highlands Diddle Arena, Bowling Green

1995 Scott County 68-45 Pulaski County[44] Civic Center, Frankfort

1996 Union County 44-37 Central Hardin Diddle Arena, Bowling Green

1997 Hazard 54-38 Elizabethtown Civic Center, Frankfort

1998 Elizabethtown 45-37 Montgomery County McBrayer Arena, Richmond

1999 Lexington Catholic 57-42 Louisville Assumption Diddle Arena, Bowling Green

2000 West Carter 58-50 Shelby County McBrayer Arena, Richmond

2001 Lexington Catholic 36-34 Louisville Manual Diddle Arena, Bowling Green

2002 Louisville Sacred Heart 57-46 Jackson County Diddle Arena, Bowling Green

2003 Louisville Sacred Heart 42-40 Lexington Catholic Diddle Arena, Bowling Green

2004 Louisville Sacred Heart 43-34 Lexington Catholic Diddle Arena, Bowling Green

2005 Lexington Catholic 59-54 Clinton County Diddle Arena, Bowling Green

2006 Lexington Catholic 69-52 Rose Hill Christian Diddle Arena, Bowling Green

2007 Lexington Christian 71-62 Louisville Iroquois Diddle Arena, Bowling Green

You are correct in most of what you say.

 

Still doesn't mean there are not major advantages that open schools have over closed schools. And advantages that closed schools can do nothing about.

 

For example, I will have a spring league basketball team. For some of my players it will be a 90 minute drive ONE WAY for them to play one game. At the expected $4.00 a gallon, it takes more for them to get to this level than the people in NKY that live 20 minutes from SOAS.

 

And that child is lucky their parents can afford it. There are many who would like to participate and their parents cannot afford it and thus cannot make that commitment.

 

Rural vs. Urban has nothing to do with public vs. private or open vs. a school system that chooses on their own to be anything other than open.

 

Maybe the urban school districts could argue rural school districts have the advantage of a more traditional upbringing that urban schools can't match. Maybe urban school districts could argue rural school districts have the advantage of getting more funding from the state given the smaller amount of taxes the rural residents pay into the system.

From what Tony posted it looks like the public schools pretty much dominated girl's basketball for sveral years.

 

What happened?

To me, the bigger issue is the lack of small schools in the tournament -- Breathitt County and Elizabethtown look to be the smallest schools in the tournament and they are 3A in football (Old 2A).

 

It's time to class all sports in Kentucky.

 

There you go. Ribbons for everyone! Now we can all feel good about ourselves. Lets change the rules to make it easier. I say keep it the same.

There you go. Ribbons for everyone! Now we can all feel good about ourselves. Lets change the rules to make it easier. I say keep it the same.

Then eliminate classing in track, cross country and football also.

And some other good ones

 

http://www.brianbaute.com/archives/2006/03/hoosier-hysteria.php

 

 

My dad and his brothers and sisters went to Shawe Memorial in Madison.

From what Tony posted it looks like the public schools pretty much dominated girl's basketball for sveral years.

 

What happened?

 

At Lex Cath at least they began to really push the AAU and middle school basketball programs. Many of the young girls were getting worked with on fundamental skills around 5th and 6th grade.

So in other words they worked harder and got better?

 

Interesting.

Lots of good points, especially Guru and LBBC about the differences between the different sports. Once huge issue I have with publics is that I don't think they provide enough opportunity for kids to join sports, especially girls sports. Sure they hit the big ones, but take no initiative to expand the olympic sports programs.

 

Lacrosse (boys and girls) and field hockey are a few examples. Lacrosse I'm just learning, but I learned a lot out field hockey last season. Our state tournament consisted of all Louisville teams. Our tourney was the exact same teams we played all season?!? That's ridiculous, and unfair to many girls out in the state who aren't given enough opportunity to play sports. Face it, a certain type of girl (size and strength wise) usually plays BBall, VBall or Softball. Hockey on the other hand provides the smaller girls a chance to compete. One of the best in state this season was a Ballard girl, who had many D1 offers, and she was only 4'11". Mercy just had 6 hockey players get D1 schollies this year, and that team lost in the first round at State! That's 6 opportunities for girls to pay for college.

 

It also helps with title IX issues, since you are fielding a team using 11 players, just like football.

 

Why don't publics get out in the forefront of some of these lesser known sports? Is it just money? I understand there will be growing pains, which are even evident in Louisville at some schools. But you have to crawl before you can walk. If schools get in while the sports are just starting to develop, they won't be behind the curve 30 years from now when they complain that privates are too strong.

 

Just my rant, not trying to derail a pretty good post.

So in other words they worked harder and got better?

 

Interesting.

 

I can't speak for other programs around the state, but yeah, Lex Cath worked pretty hard. That 1999 Championship team was full of a lot of girls whose younger brother's I was friends with and I remember them practicing and working pretty hard. Throw in Mary Queen, Christ the King, St. Peter and Paul and Good Shepard around the area really worked on their middle school programs. Even girls from the LCA team were involved in some of the middle school programs that were in Lexington.