Do a little research about the High school and you might eat some crow. They have one of the best schools in the state of Kentucky and have been recognized across the United States.

 

Yes I know some people from our district in Laurel has spent some time over in Johnson Co. looking at their schools that acheive well.

I had many good teachers who taught me well.

 

But I learned a lot of life lessons from my coaches.

 

I'm thankful for both.

Yes I know some people from our district in Laurel has spent some time over in Johnson Co. looking at their schools that acheive well.

 

Thank You Leonidas.

Sorry for the misspelling.

 

I'm not sure, but I don't believe doctors get a 2-3 month Summer holiday, or get off for every federal holiday or get off every Saturday and Sunday. I could be wrong though.

 

Teachers are hard working people and are vastly underpaid, but to assert that they work as many hours as doctors is laughable and does a disservice to teachers.

 

 

I don't think a lot of people realize that just because a teacher isn't at school, it doesn't mean he or she isn't working. I can guarantee you that many hours are spent by teachers outside of the traditional school day grading papers and lesson planning. This is in addition to the hours that a lot of teachers spend supporting their students by attending countless extra-curricular activities. And let's not forget that many summer days are spent either pursuing professional development or taking additional college classes to satisfy certification requirements.

 

Whether teachers work more hours than doctors, well...I don't feel comfortable saying that with complete certainty. However, I can assure you that successful teachers put in a lot more hours than most people give them credit for.

Sorry for the misspelling.

 

I'm not sure, but I don't believe doctors get a 2-3 month Summer holiday, or get off for every federal holiday or get off every Saturday and Sunday. I could be wrong though.

 

Teachers are hard working people and are vastly underpaid, but to assert that they work as many hours as doctors is laughable and does a disservice to teachers.

 

And I don't know any teachers that get 2-3 months off in the summer or who get off every federal holiday. In addition, teachers spend time on Sat and Sun doing lesson plans, grading papers, searching the Internet for ways to make their lesson plans more relevant.

 

To ascert that teachers don't work many, many hours is laughable, too.

 

We are both doing a good job of cracking each other up.:lol::thumb:

Are you saying that Coaches don't change lives?

The lessons learned on a football field are lessons that you cannot always find in the classroom.

 

What about the Coach who keeps his star player out of trouble by giving him something to focus on and work at (football in this case) and shows him how to become a leader not only on the field but in the hallways and classroom? Then he teaches that young man discipline by coming to practice on time and being held accountable to his team and teammates. Then he shows that young man that it's okay to cry, it's okay to hug the guy next to you, it's okay to scream and yell in enjoyment, it's okay to invest everything you have into a game regardless if you win or not because you have to give your best effort all the time. Then he teaches him to call the guy next to him "brother" regardless of the color of his skin or how rich or poor his family is. He teaches that young man to look beyond the outer appearance of the man next to him.

Then he exposes that young man to ACT/SAT scores, Core GPA, the NCAA Clearinghouse, he gets colleges to come look at this young man, he takes him to campus visits, he takes him to combines, he takes him to college football games, he gets a college coach to offer that young man a scholarship, and all of a sudden he has changed that young man's life. He's afforded that young man an oppurtunity to go to college and better himself, all because he took an interest in him at a young age and got that kid into his football program and as a result has now changed his life forever due to the lessons and oppurtunities that young man learned and received as a result of being in the football program.

 

How is that not changing a kid's life?

 

I can give you names of coaches all over KY that have done that for young men. They have went above and beyond the requirements set forth by their job title to better the lives of their athletes.

 

To compare coaches and teachers and tell us that Coaches do not change lives like teachers do is ridiculous!!!!!!

 

I'm not saying whether or not it's right or wrong to pay a coach 100,000 for coaching football, BUT I am saying that they do change lives and I TOTALLY resent your statement.:madman:

 

Great post 3high, simply great. No other comment needing as far as I am concerned.

Do coaches teach their players reading?

Do coaches teach their players writing?

Do coaches teach their players math?

Do coaches teach their players balancing a checkbook and staying away from credit card debt?

Do coaches teach their players history?

 

There are many, many students that go through school and are greatly prepared for life and never play a second of sports.

 

I am not sure I personally know of any students that do not know how to read, write or do math and are successful in life.

 

If you look at who is more important to the students in that school and the effect they have on their lives, teachers win that debate.

 

Now, if you look at 100 kids out of over 1,000 at the big schools and 30 kids out of about 300 at the small schools, coaches become more important. Not equal to what the teachers accomplish with them that will affect their lives. But on the small percentage of students, they do become more important.

 

 

Yes, coaches do all of those things...it may not be in the job description but I can count more coaches than I have fingers and toes that tutor struggling kids because their teachers are "too busy to stay and help him". Teachers do not win that debate. How many teachers overlook a student because they cant read and aren't worth the time. Many. Many teachers see some "problem" kids and say, "well, he'll just end up in prison anyway". This is not indicative of all teachers, but too many times I have heard excuses as to why they can't help a kid versus helping him. Coaches often times lead other clubs such at FCA, Intramurals, Pep club, pep rallies, some academic clubs (especially if they teach or just work in that area), and many other after school activities. The influence a coach can have on the entire student body, not just their players, is exponential.

A coach on the other hand often takes all the kids, including the "problem" kids and gives them an outlet, a way to learn the lessons of life. Sure they don't teach them to balance a check book, but we teach them to get up every morning and go provide for their famlies. We teach them that life is hard and when you get knocked down you don't have the luxury of feeling sorry for yourself, because life doesn't work that way.

Look at schools that are very successful in football, and the majority are also very successful in academics. Coaches can change entire communities, not with just one season, but for entire generations..FACT.

If a school system wants to pay a guy 100,000 (and it happens all over the country) then I say good for the man who's putting 70-80 + hours a week...he deserves every darn penny!!

What is an average head coaching salary? Someone mentioned $20k earlier and I would assume that's very high.

And I don't know any teachers that get 2-3 months off in the summer or who get off every federal holiday. In addition, teachers spend time on Sat and Sun doing lesson plans, grading papers, searching the Internet for ways to make their lesson plans more relevant.

 

To ascert that teachers don't work many, many hours is laughable, too.

 

We are both doing a good job of cracking each other up.:lol::thumb:

How many days per year are you required to work according to your contract?

What is an average head coaching salary? Someone mentioned $20k earlier and I would assume that's very high.

I think Henderson pays $10,000 - $12,000 additional money to be the head football coach. Then normally the football coach is also the weightroom coordinator which is an additional $4000-$6000 I think. That all would be above and beyond their normal teachers salary.

I think Henderson pays $10,000 - $12,000 additional money to be the head football coach. Then normally the football coach is also the weightroom coordinator which is an additional $4000-$6000 I think. That all would be above and beyond their normal teachers salary.

 

"Weightroom coordinator?" That's a paid position? I bet legendary CCH head football coach Lynn Ray didn't make $7k in his 30th year as head coach and, I guess, "weightroom coordinator."

Do coaches teach their players reading?

Do coaches teach their players writing?

Do coaches teach their players math?

Do coaches teach their players balancing a checkbook and staying away from credit card debt?

Do coaches teach their players history?

 

There are many, many students that go through school and are greatly prepared for life and never play a second of sports.

 

I am not sure I personally know of any students that do not know how to read, write or do math and are successful in life.

 

If you look at who is more important to the students in that school and the effect they have on their lives, teachers win that debate.

 

Now, if you look at 100 kids out of over 1,000 at the big schools and 30 kids out of about 300 at the small schools, coaches become more important. Not equal to what the teachers accomplish with them that will affect their lives. But on the small percentage of students, they do become more important.

 

I know that any football coach worth a darn would help or teach any kid in need, regardless if he is a player or not!

Does one teacher teach all of this? You must be in a SMALL school. On the other hand, I do believe that one Head Coach DOES teach all of this:

 

 

 

Your own holistic ideology has defeated itself. The very criteria you have set for each individual’s value has proven your point moot.

 

I guess my coach was not a good english teacher.

How many days per year are you required to work according to your contract?

 

Which in no way represents the amount of days that we 1)are expected to work; 2) actually do work.

 

For example, parent/teacher conferences are unpaid hours that the schools require us to do but don't get paid for.

 

You have summer school (8-10 weeks) that teachers (not all but many) work to help students that have failed and are not on track to graduate.

 

You have summer programs for gifted and talented students to further their education that are/can be 8 to 10 weeks.

 

You have after school tutoring that occurs 3-4 days a week for those that are failing or need help.

 

My last year of working with an extracurricular activity, I had 29 nights that I stayed away from home on trips with my students.

 

Teachers spend hours after school working on FFA, FHA, DECA, FBLA, Yearbook, FCA, and many, many other clubs.

 

My wife had a 20 minute planning time PER DAY to plan out her teaching for the other 5 hours a day for 30 2nd graders. Hopefully, you will agree that in no way shape or form is it possible to get all of your planning and GRADING done. Guess when that was done. 8 to 11 at night or Sat afternoon or Sunday afternoon into night.

 

Teachers EASILY put in 60 to 70 hours every week of the school year. Coaches do that in their season but off season their hours don't approach that. They are STILL many but don't approach the work that teachers do.

 

AND I AM A COACH WHO PUT IN 70 HOURS A WEEK AND WOULD PLAY 80 GAMES IN THE SUMMER.

 

I did a lot. I know we do a lot. I know who we effect and what we can do for a community.

 

And it still doesn't match what a teacher does.

 

I could go on and on and on and on but I won't.

 

Anyone that thinks that teachers have all this free time, is sadly mistaken.

Sorry for the misspelling.

 

I'm not sure, but I don't believe doctors get a 2-3 month Summer holiday, or get off for every federal holiday or get off every Saturday and Sunday. I could be wrong though.

 

Teachers are hard working people and are vastly underpaid, but to assert that they work as many hours as doctors is laughable and does a disservice to teachers.

 

I've been teaching for 11 years and I've NEVER gotten a 2-3 month Summer holiday. We are expected to get 30 hours PD; prepare lessons for the upcoming year, and get rooms ready. This translates to maybe a 3-4 week break over the summer. NOT 2-3 months. Our summer time hours are more flexible but they are not less.:madman: