RM, I know that you would work to your wits end to help your kids.

 

Fact of the matter is that many parents, especially many of the low income/low score variety, wouldn't even sniff a school like Trinity or X because of the tuition. Not to mention that Jr. really doesn't want to go there because they make him "work and behave".

 

What I'm pointing out is that you are the exception (and a fantastic one at that), rather than the rule.

 

 

And I do understand what you're saying. I admit to defensiveness when it comes to what people think of the Trinity & X's of the world. I've been involved in private schools since I began my school career in first grade. I have listened to unfair and unfounded comments about private schools all my life. Some people have completely unfounded misconceptions about private schools, and refuse to either hear from those who know, or investigate the truths.

 

Like any schools, we cannot, no matter how hard we try, be all things to all people. I do understand when people say "we don't have to accept ___________students". But the misconception is that because we don't have to, we don't. The truth is that although we don't have to, we try to accommodate as many as possible, and to look for ways to provide more services to offer as much as possible to as many as possible. The significant factor is that although no one makes us, we do. In that manner, I feel that some feel because we don't have to, it's some sort of advantage for us. If we were looking for that advantage, we wouldn't develop those programs.

 

Another misconception is that everyone can afford the private schools. Not everyone can. But some make it a priority and make some "out of the box" decisions to make it happen.

Ram...... I hate that I have to say this and remind you that you have been made aware of this before.

 

Should you keep coming up with these threads/post on here (that make sense) there are some that may actually get the impression that you are smart, personable and up to date on things :scared:

 

All of us here in RamLand know better but please, some other from around the state may be decieved...........:sssh::lol:

 

Just Kidding of course , if our own can't give each other a hard time then what good would it be. :thumb::thumb:

 

Even a broken watch is right twice a day. I know everyone in Raceland knows the real me, but these poor saps in cyber land don't, so quit telling everyone.

Even a broken watch is right twice a day. I know everyone in Raceland knows the real me, but these poor saps in cyber land don't, so quit telling everyone.

 

:thumb::thumb: Got it, I aplogize and I retract all my statements.

 

(besides, you may tell everyone some of my "adventures" or should I say "Misadventures" through the years :sssh:)

I to tired to go on this post. I went on to much on the other one the last couple of days and said maybe to much.

I to tired to go on this post. I went on to much on the other one the last couple of days and said maybe to much.

 

It's an emotional subject. This is one of the topics that gets everyone fired up, because everyone has an opinion on it. But, it's good to voice your opinion on this and hear others opinion on it as well. It helps everyone to understand the situation.

It's an emotional subject. This is one of the topics that gets everyone fired up, because everyone has an opinion on it. But, it's good to voice your opinion on this and hear others opinion on it as well. It helps everyone to understand the situation.

 

Yes it is. :thumb:

:thumb::thumb: Got it, I aplogize and I retract all my statements.

 

(besides, you may tell everyone some of my "adventures" or should I say "Misadventures" through the years :sssh:)

 

I would have to go the P and R forum to tell those stories. Unless, we have a "drunk and disorderly" forum. Some of those are rated "R".

 

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

It's an emotional subject. This is one of the topics that gets everyone fired up, because everyone has an opinion on it. But, it's good to voice your opinion on this and hear others opinion on it as well. It helps everyone to understand the situation.

 

 

I'll be honest...I have swung between outright anger and bitterness, to weariness on this subject over the years. I've even contemplated leaving BGP because of this subject. In the matter of "us vs them", I feel the privates have no desire to be on the opposite side, just included. But I feel we're foced to become the "us" or "them" in the conversation by those who want a split.

I'll be honest...I have swung between outright anger and bitterness, to weariness on this subject over the years. I've even contemplated leaving BGP because of this subject. In the matter of "us vs them", I feel the privates have no desire to be on the opposite side, just included. But I feel we're foced to become the "us" or "them" in the conversation by those who want a split.

 

What she said

 

Unlike RM though, I have been on both sides of this issue. I was as vehemently anti-private as anyone on here as recently as 10 years ago. A long time friend of mine who is a Trinity alum told me that he never thought he would see the day that I wore a Trinity shirt. Another long time friend is still on the public side of the argument and we have gone back and forth a bit. I guess that the point I am trying to make in this ramble is that these are not new issues. The recruiting and district argument has been going on for at least 30 years because I can remember it from then. I changed because I saw first hand how wrong I was about some things. I wonder how many other people would also have a change of heart if they just took the time to really look into what goes on at private schools.

What she said

 

Unlike RM though, I have been on both sides of this issue. I was as vehemently anti-private as anyone on here as recently as 10 years ago. A long time friend of mine who is a Trinity alum told me that he never thought he would see the day that I wore a Trinity shirt. Another long time friend is still on the public side of the argument and we have gone back and forth a bit. I guess that the point I am trying to make in this ramble is that these are not new issues. The recruiting and district argument has been going on for at least 30 years because I can remember it from then. I changed because I saw first hand how wrong I was about some things. I wonder how many other people would also have a change of heart if they just took the time to really look into what goes on at private schools.

 

I honestly, don't have a problem with private schools. Probably, the only reason that my kids do not go to a private school, is that there is not a "full service" private school in the area in which we live. Now, I know someone from Rose Hill is going to get upset, but, in my opinion they are just to small, and I just can't trust a school that does not have a football team:D.

 

Raceland's logo printed on their letter head is: "A private school education, in the public sector". I see a lot of parallels with Raceland and a private school. So, Raceland is as close as we will get to a private school.

It is often pointed out on this board that parents/families of kids at T & X make significant sacrifices for their children to attend private schools, including those who receive some financial aid. There is no way to argue with that point. I think this is a significant factor (not the only one by any means) that leads to the success of private schools in football. The families of these kids a very involved and supportive. When Trinity decides to lift weights before school, the parents get the kids there. Supportive and involved families that are willing to sacrifice for their children must help those children succeed.

 

Having been involved with kids in the public schools for a few years now, my experience is that such families are in short supply. (I'm not saying there are none, but there are alot fewer.) Those types of families are special. That is a big part of what makes private schools great at football and otherwise.

And I do understand what you're saying. I admit to defensiveness when it comes to what people think of the Trinity & X's of the world. I've been involved in private schools since I began my school career in first grade. I have listened to unfair and unfounded comments about private schools all my life. Some people have completely unfounded misconceptions about private schools, and refuse to either hear from those who know, or investigate the truths.

 

Like any schools, we cannot, no matter how hard we try, be all things to all people. I do understand when people say "we don't have to accept ___________students". But the misconception is that because we don't have to, we don't. The truth is that although we don't have to, we try to accommodate as many as possible, and to look for ways to provide more services to offer as much as possible to as many as possible. The significant factor is that although no one makes us, we do. In that manner, I feel that some feel because we don't have to, it's some sort of advantage for us. If we were looking for that advantage, we wouldn't develop those programs.

 

Another misconception is that everyone can afford the private schools. Not everyone can. But some make it a priority and make some "out of the box" decisions to make it happen.

 

Very well said. Great explanation, I appreciate it.

 

I wanted to comment on the bolded part. I am certainly not accusing you of looking for an advantage in terms of not taking X type of students. I just wanted to point out that it is, and will continue to be, a distinct advantage for private schools.

 

It is my personal opinion that ANY school that has an advantage will be viewed in a negative light by the schools who do not have said advantage.

 

To be clear, I am not saying that private schools are shunning these students away and that gives them an advantage. On the contrary, as you pointed out, they are not. The perceived view of private schools (esp. T and X) and the presence of tuition is what keeps these students out of those schools.

It is often pointed out on this board that parents/families of kids at T & X make significant sacrifices for their children to attend private schools, including those who receive some financial aid. There is no way to argue with that point. I think this is a significant factor (not the only one by any means) that leads to the success of private schools in football. The families of these kids a very involved and supportive. When Trinity decides to lift weights before school, the parents get the kids there. Supportive and involved families that are willing to sacrifice for their children must help those children succeed.

 

Having been involved with kids in the public schools for a few years now, my experience is that such families are in short supply. (I'm not saying there are none, but there are alot fewer.) Those types of families are special. That is a big part of what makes private schools great at football and otherwise.

 

Terp you have hit the nail on the head.

 

Unfortunately, what you may have discovered is that "those types of families" ARE special. And having many of those types of families, but more so NOT having the other kind of families (the ones that don't care) IS a very big advantage. IMO, it is what creates the "us vs. them" mentality.

 

I don't know that anyone is doing anything wrong in "having" that advantage, but I do know that there are a good many schools that wish they were stuck with less of the types of families that do nothing, and more of the type that are more involved.

 

It is also my opinion that having these types of people continually involved with the school serves to reenforce the school monetarily, much like a small liberal arts college, which in the long run gives them another advantage over other schools.

 

In the end, I don't think anyone is necessarily wrong here. I also am quite sure that the "playing field" is not even, and has not been for some time. Some of those "advantages" cannot be changed, and create the ability to have more success than your average public school.

This is how I see it:

I think that the advantage that private schools have, and independents to an extent, most of the students, or parents, are there because they want to be. They have more of a sense of ownership of the school. If you make a concerted effort to be at a certain school, then you are going to feel more strongly about that school, then if you are there because it is the only school in the county, or because it is the closest.

 

That's not to say that no one feels strongly about their county school, which many people do, but what I am saying is the percentage is higher at private schools, then independent, and third is the county schools. I have seen this to be accurate for the most part. Not trying to knock any school, just an observation.

What violation?

 

Before most of these schools start winning state championships and dominating, they have had some kind of khsaa violation.