There are 16 football playing private schools in KY from 1A-6A.

 

How many state titles have those 16 schools claimed in the last 10 years? 20 years? And that's just in football...........the "other" sports, especially the smaller sports, are much worse.

 

Is it just an anomaly that such a disproportionate number of private schools are so successful? If not, then why are they able to succeed where others fail? Surely you would agree that there are distinct advantages that private school athletes and programs have over public schools? And please, don't feed me the "we work harder" line. What then are the advantages that keep the private schools on top?

We have had the discussion before about where a kid may go to middle school, and then end up at Lexington Catholic.

 

We are very proud of those numbers. But why don't you go deeper. What's the percentage of the players on those teams that have been students in the feeder schools since day one? What's the percentage of players on those teams who've had older siblings or relatives move through the same school previously? What's the percentage of players on those teams, who have or never will have any tangible impact in a game? What's the percentage of those players who's parents have, since before they were born, decided what High School they would attend?

 

Now I'm no genius, but isn't LexCath a relatively new school?

 

So how exactly could the parents decide before these kids were born (13-18 years ago) that their kids would go to LexCath?

Now I'm no genius, but isn't LexCath a relatively new school?

 

So how exactly could the parents decide before these kids were born (13-18 years ago) that their kids would go to LexCath?

 

Lexington Catholic was formed in 1951.

What do you all think about a Head Football coach being the Director of Admissions for a private school? What if he is making public appearances promoting his school? What if some of those appearances are to address a youth football team?

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I don't care about a split in playoffs or a multiplier for the private schools. I don't care if a private school is in my teams district, region, or class. I just want the rules to be enforced.

 

So, I don't think it should be "Us versus Them" (Public versus Private). I think it should be "Us versus the KHSAA". We should not be as mad at a particular school or a particular kind of school, we should be mad at the KHSAA for not severally punishing schools that are found to be guilty of recruiting and setting a president to discourage other schools from even thinking of recruiting. Our anger should be toward the KHSAA for allowing this to go on, and on, and on. Without putting a stop to it.

 

I, personally, think that a player who excepts gifts or monetary gain (not tuition, but pocket money) to attend a certain school, should lose their eligibility for life. This would be a great discourager to players who are approached by a school to transfer. And any school who is found guilty of recruiting should be fined heavily, around $50K or $100K, and banned from post season play for five years. A severe and set punishment that all schools would be aware of, and know ahead of time if they are caught recruiting, that this is the punishment that they will receive.

 

This may not stop all recruiting, but I think if the KHSAA took a big stand against recruiting that most people would refrain from any kind of recruiting. And the rest of us would feel that everything that could be done was being done.

You again have made some very god points and another very good post/thread here Ram, I basically undersand what you are saying and for the most part agree. The parts that I have singled out here I will comment on....

 

1. As for caring if a private school is in my/our district now I really don't either, I frankly enjoy the competetion. I had made a statement in another post in another thread that I feel that Public and Private possibly should be split as far as districts/regions/playoffs and titles are concerned. Should one want to play the other in the regular season then do it. IMO this would end the as you say "us vs. them" scenerio as far as what any of us believe that one can legally do vs. the other. That was my reasoning for that and certainly no jealousy/fear of playing another school involved.

 

2. I completely agree on your comment about the KHSAA, imo they need to do a better job of monotoring and taking care of a situation. There are people in place now that are supposed to be taking care of such matters and I am not one of them so I really can't comment on the "inside" workings of a group.

 

3. I also agree on stiffer punishments to the ones found guilty of blatant and obvious recruiting violations and especially coach or school administrator. As Watusi said that would be hard to prove though, imo one could not go on "rumors"/he said-she said type things. Another thing is as you said in another post, I really don't think that one person talking to another about/promoting their school is recruiting, if so then we are all guilty.

You make a good argument for more severe punishments. I would add that the coaches should be severely punished also when found guilty of recruiting.

 

However, it seems to me that pure recruiting is very hard to prove and would be largely based on circumstantial evidence. The KHSAA would have to beef up its legal budget if it moved in this direction.

 

You make some great points here as well Watusi, I definately agree.:thumb:

We recruit students, not specific students. Those who are interested, take the placement exam. From that point, they are considered students at Trinity. It's not an entrance exam, it's a placement exam. The test is used to place the kids in the classes that are best for their learning needs. We don't turn kids away that test low, and we don't keep just those who test high.

 

If interested, there's a wealth of information available on the web at www.thsrocks.net

 

I totally understand what your saying. But picture this: Disciplinary problems have been shown to highly correlate with low test scores and, among other things, income. So if I'm a kid that fits this bill: A. I probably can't afford to go to Trinity. B. I know that if I go there I will have to behave, something I am not (and cannot) be forced to do at public schools.

 

So while yes, I agree you don't turn kids away, by the basic setup of your school you are able to discourage many (note I didn't say all) of your lower level students from even applying.

Lexington Catholic was formed in 1951.

 

My apologies, I was under the impression they were much, much newer than that. Did they just recently start playing sports, particularly football then?

Ram...... I hate that I have to say this and remind you that you have been made aware of this before.

 

Should you keep coming up with these threads/post on here (that make sense) there are some that may actually get the impression that you are smart, personable and up to date on things :scared:

 

All of us here in RamLand know better but please, some other from around the state may be decieved...........:sssh::lol:

 

Just Kidding of course , if our own can't give each other a hard time then what good would it be. :thumb::thumb:

Recruiting is hand picking. You are establishing a target, for what ever reason, and you go after them. Would you agree with that?

 

No.

The success starts with most of these schools in a violation. Then success breeds success then.........

 

ATHLETES breed success!!!!

 

What violation?

How many state titles have those 16 schools claimed in the last 10 years? 20 years? And that's just in football...........the "other" sports, especially the smaller sports, are much worse.

 

Is it just an anomaly that such a disproportionate number of private schools are so successful? If not, then why are they able to succeed where others fail? Surely you would agree that there are distinct advantages that private school athletes and programs have over public schools? And please, don't feed me the "we work harder" line. What then are the advantages that keep the private schools on top?

 

Let's look at it...

 

Trinity-18

St.X-11

Covington Catholic- 5(I think)

Lexington Cathlic- 2

DeSales-0

Louisville Holy Cross-0

Covington Holy Cross-0

Christian Academy of Louisville-0

Lexington Christian Academy- 0

Owensboro Catholic- 0

Bishop Brossart- 0

Newport Central Catholic- I know of 3, anyone help me out on this?

KY Country Day-0

Bardstown Bethlehem-0

Evangel Christian-0

Beth Haven-0

 

 

Only 5 of the 16 have won a title in football and one of them has only been in recent years.

 

Roughly 1/3. Where Trinity and St.X are concerned, which distributes it inordinately, we have had numbers on our public school competitors for roughly 10-12 years or so. Trinity had won 12 titles before that. What helps those 2 programs primarily is the Catholic feeder system, most of the kids in the CSAA play football starting in second or third grade for their respective schools. They have considerable experience over the majority of their public school counterparts.

 

Now as to the rest of them I don't knowm people more knowledgeable in those areas can help me out there. Even so Louisville has 4 other schools who haven't won a title and of those only DeSales has sniffed one(losing in a title game in the 80's). I am not counting KCD's 8 man titles in this.

I totally understand what your saying. But picture this: Disciplinary problems have been shown to highly correlate with low test scores and, among other things, income. So if I'm a kid that fits this bill: A. I probably can't afford to go to Trinity. B. I know that if I go there I will have to behave, something I am not (and cannot) be forced to do at public schools.

 

So while yes, I agree you don't turn kids away, by the basic setup of your school you are able to discourage many (note I didn't say all) of your lower level students from even applying.

 

 

Sometimes, it's not the kids' decision. There are times when the parents make the decision.

 

And, you would be surprised at the number of parents who will sacrifice quite a bit to pay the tuition. Even full tuition.

Let me go back to "Us vs. Them." First the KHSAA rules apply to ALL members, no matter public or private. According to current rules, there is no us, nor them.

 

If separation happens and only Public schools compete agianst public schools, there will still be an advantage (percived as unfair) within the public only category.

Sometimes, it's not the kids' decision. There are times when the parents make the decision.

 

And, you would be surprised at the number of parents who will sacrifice quite a bit to pay the tuition. Even full tuition.

 

RM, I know that you would work to your wits end to help your kids.

 

Fact of the matter is that many parents, especially many of the low income/low score variety, wouldn't even sniff a school like Trinity or X because of the tuition. Not to mention that Jr. really doesn't want to go there because they make him "work and behave".

 

What I'm pointing out is that you are the exception (and a fantastic one at that), rather than the rule.

Let's look at it...

 

Trinity-18

St.X-11

Covington Catholic- 5(I think)

Lexington Cathlic- 2

DeSales-0

Louisville Holy Cross-0

Covington Holy Cross-0

Christian Academy of Louisville-0

Lexington Christian Academy- 0

Owensboro Catholic- 0

Bishop Brossart- 0

Newport Central Catholic- I know of 3, anyone help me out on this?

KY Country Day-0

Bardstown Bethlehem-0

Evangel Christian-0

Beth Haven-0

 

 

Only 5 of the 16 have won a title in football and one of them has only been in recent years.

 

Roughly 1/3. Where Trinity and St.X are concerned, which distributes it inordinately, we have had numbers on our public school competitors for roughly 10-12 years or so. Trinity had won 12 titles before that. What helps those 2 programs primarily is the Catholic feeder system, most of the kids in the CSAA play football starting in second or third grade for their respective schools. They have considerable experience over the majority of their public school counterparts.

 

Now as to the rest of them I don't knowm people more knowledgeable in those areas can help me out there. Even so Louisville has 4 other schools who haven't won a title and of those only DeSales has sniffed one(losing in a title game in the 80's). I am not counting KCD's 8 man titles in this.

 

First, a good many have sniffed a title here. Owensboro Catholic, LCA off the top of my head (and wasn't Lou. HC very good for a while?). KCD doesn't/hasn't played varsity, Bishop Brossart was in their first year so we can probably eliminate those two.

 

Second, I know for sure that 3 schools have won in recent years. NCC(last year), CovCath(last year), and Trinity(this year), LexCath(2-3 years ago) not to mention the last time X won a title(??).

 

Finally, that a very large number of titles for a very small percentage of the football playing populace, even if we include schools like KCD and BB. Not to metion that there were only 4 classes for a long, long time. Perceived advantage or not, there certainly does exist a very real mathematical anamoly.

 

Short term success, like that of Boyle Co. can be explained away by a great coach, group of players, etc. But long term success has to be attributed to something else. So if I'm reading you right, you explain this as CSAA? I don't buy that. Other schools have great feeder programs, and they aren't winning titles. Why?? The numbers? I've read on here many times that it isn't the numbers. So if not, what is it?