Ram, I feel that is the issue as well. It is exactly what the private school side feels. That was why they proposed a larger investigative force in the KHSAA. The private schools are not collectively trying to gain any unfair advantages. And they have proposed solutions that would address both the alleged lack of investigation, and the problem the KHSAA has in trying to thoroughly investigate each allegation. The perplexing thing is that it was voted down by the very people who claim that the KHSAA doesn't do enough.

 

The part that makes the motive of those supporting a split suspicious is that they would vote down a proposal to allow more, and more thorough investigations. In doing so, it creates a perception that it isn't about the enforcement of rules, but in simply eliminating a subset of competition.

 

That is were the "Us versus Them", comes into play. It seems that anything that the "Privates" propose, the "Publics" will see as the "Privates" wanting it their way. And what ever the "Publics" propose will be seen as by the "Privates" as the "Publics" wanting it their way.

 

I would like to see stronger enforcement and penalties by the KHSAA. That might not be the best answer. I don't know. Perhaps splitting the publics and privates may be the best answer, again, I don't know. But, I wish the KHSAA would either enforce the rules that are in place, or do the split, and quit dancing somewhere in the middle.

Agreed with the way it is administered.

 

I don't feel it should be given at all. This is where we differ.

 

 

Do you feel it shouldn't be given at all to athletes? Or to any student?

 

My issue with not offering it to athletes selectively is that athletics are a part of the school experience. A student should be able to participate fully in the opportunities offered at whatever school they attend, public or private. In my mind, it's the same as saying athletes that qualify for the federal lunch program should not be allowed to play.

That is were the "Us versus Them", comes into play. It seems that anything that the "Privates" propose, the "Publics" will see as the "Privates" wanting it their way. And what ever the "Publics" propose will be seen as by the "Privates" as the "Publics" wanting it their way.

 

I would like to see stronger enforcement and penalties by the KHSAA. That might not be the best answer. I don't know. Perhaps splitting the publics and privates may be the best answer, again, I don't know. But, I wish the KHSAA would either enforce the rules that are in place, or do the split, and quit dancing somewhere in the middle.

 

 

As I see it, the crux of the problem isn't who's playing where. It's how they got there. It's not about a public vs. private. The problem is that violations are occuring. I simply don't see how a split will solve violations, when violations occur in public schools as well.

Valid point that has not been addressed. Please explain it further.

 

Without going into a lot of detail, think about this. Why would a private school recruit a kid that was just released form detention. He has a multitude of charges, has failed most of his classes,along with a volient past. While this type of school may be exactly what he needs, privite schools will not recruit him, obviously.(Don't blame them) However, there is a kid with outstanding grades and community service record and not to mention very discipline, that is the kid we recruit.(why not?) So in recruiting kids we as an institution recruit what will only help us, not the student. To define recruiting is not to help the athlete (while they do recieve benefits) it is soley to help the institution become a better place or team. Academically or athletics it makes no difference.

I'll agree to get rid of financial aid for athletes, if the Government cuts me a refund check for all of the school taxes I pay, since my child (probably) will not go through the public school system.

 

They will not and that is what makes it different. The solutions that everyone points to, can never happen. That is what will eventually cause the split.

Without going into a lot of detail, think about this. Why would a private school recruit a kid that was just released form detention. He has a multitude of charges has failed most of his classes,along with a volient pass. While this type of school may be exactly what he needs, privite schools will not recruit him, obviously.(Don't blame them) However, there is a kid with outstanding grades and community service record and not to mention very discipline, that is the kid we recruit.(why not?) So in recruiting kids we as an institution recruit what will only help us, not the student. To define recruiting is not to help the athlete (while they do recieve benefits) it is soley to help the institution become a better place or team. Academically or athletics it makes no difference.

 

 

We have kids who have been removed from public schools and put in Trinity for discipline reasons. Contrary to popular belief, the students at Trinity, for instance, are not perfect.

We have kids who have been removed from public schools and put in Trinity for discipline reasons. Contrary to popular belief, the students at Trinity, for instance, are not perfect.

Gotta hop on what RM says. There are Private Schools that seek out the troubled to help them out. Churches do this all the time.

 

Plus, if Private schools only wanted the best and brightest, would Trinity have thier Learning Differences program?

We have kids who have been removed from public schools and put in Trinity for discipline reasons. Contrary to popular belief, the students at Trinity, for instance, are not perfect.

 

Recruitment of these kids. All schools public and private have troubled kids.

Gotta hop on what RM says. There are Private Schools that seek out the troubled to help them out. Churches do this all the time.

 

Plus, if Private schools only wanted the best and brightest, would Trinity have thier Learning Differences program?

 

I will never believe as an administration that you seek these type kids out for recruitment. Sorry.

 

And thats not to say that you don't have them in your school.

I will never believe as an administration that you seek these type kids out for recruitment. Sorry.

 

And thats not to say that you don't have them in your school.

 

 

So you more or less refuse to believe that private schools would be willing to take in troubled kids and try to help them, athletes or not?

This was not to point any fingers. I was just giving what I thought recruitment was as a general definition.

So you more or less refuse to believe that private schools would be willing to take in troubled kids and try to help them, athletes or not?

 

Your missing my point. I do believe that you would take as many as you could. Private schools have wonderful people that would help anyone. I am referring to recruiting as a definition.

I will never believe as an administration that you seek these type kids out for recruitment. Sorry.

 

And thats not to say that you don't have them in your school.

Well in Lexington, there are students (both of the Catholic faith, and non-Catholic) who would like to recive a Catholic School education. Some of these students are in Special Education classes in the public schools, and feel that there are no such classes that would fit thier needs in the Private school system. It is the policy of every Catholic school that I know of to provide an education to anyone who would like it. Catholic schools have started to implement programs that would allow kids labeled as Special Needs to attend and be sucessful in a Catholic school. We have had to reach out to (and yes, recruit) these students because either they don't know and realized these programs are available, or have been effectivley "recruited" to stay in the public Special Education system- they are told that X amount of federal funding goes to these Special Education services.

Why "we won't go" quietly:

 

Most states require that a school must be a member of their state association before they are allowed to play a team from their state. For Trinity to play Elder in Cincinnati, Elder must be in good standing with the OHSAA and Trinity must be in good standing with the KHSAA.

St. Xavier was a charter member when age was the main rule on the books.

Where someone lived was not an issue in the beginning. St. Xavier had some students who would ride a ferry boat across the Ohio River to attend their downtown location. Where a child resided was not a factor as far as the KHSAA and it's membership were concerned. Manual and Male could accept students that lived outside Louisville city limits. Students transferred all the time.

 

If certain publics want to leave the arms of the KHSAA, then do so. Start your own athletic association where you can refuse to play any private school and any independent school or any school that has reciprical agreements with neighboring counties, etc. Of course, those trips to Florida and Las Vegas or even Tennessee for baseball, basketball etc. could be curtailed because your new association may or may not be recognized by the National Federation of High School Athletic Association.

 

The privates do not want to leave because it would hurt us financially. The catastrophic insurance is valuable. The pre-set district games in all sports and the "master schedule" in Jefferson County that helps cover the public and privates from being boycotted at the varsity level(some public schools have a hard time filling their schedules because they are not competitive). If the privates were not part of the KHSAA, we could not play Ballard, Male, PRP...it's against the KHSAA rules!

 

The KHSAA is not just about football, as the privates pay their dues for all sports, even those where we have not won a state title.

 

I still contend we could go back to pre-1975 and the Jefferson County Champion is the automatic state champ in the highest class in football. The state at- large schools are the one's who begged to play the privates and the big, bad Jefferson County schools in football.

Well in Lexington, there are students (both of the Catholic faith, and non-Catholic) who would like to recive a Catholic School education. Some of these students are in Special Education classes in the public schools, and feel that there are no such classes that would fit thier needs in the Private school system. It is the policy of every Catholic school that I know of to provide an education to anyone who would like it. Catholic schools have started to implement programs that would allow kids labeled as Special Needs to attend and be sucessful in a Catholic school. We have had to reach out to (and yes, recruit) these students because either they don't know and realized these programs are available, or have been effectivley "recruited" to stay in the public Special Education system- they are told that X amount of federal funding goes to these Special Education services.

 

Not referring to special needs kids. What makes you think that they fit the description I used.