I don't believe they are irreconcilable differences.

 

JCPS schools recruit students. They offer a huge showcase each year that all students are invited to attend to see the specific advantages of each school. Wouldn't you agree that's recruitment?.

I agree with most of what you have posted on the subject, RM. One of the main issues, is the definition of recruitment. Personally, I think that recruitment is a person getting monetary gain or gifts, for attending a particular school, or a coach persuading a player to transfer.

 

Some people think that one parent talking to another parent about a particular school is recruitment, I don't. I don't see advertising as recruitment. I, personally, have not experienced a show case as you have spoke of, but from what you have said, if everyone, schools and students, are allowed to attend, then I would not consider this recruitment either. Just my opinion.

The issue isn't public vs. private. It's not even as simple as open vs. closed enrollment. It's most closely urban vs. rural, but can't even be pinned down to that degree.

Your absolutely correct. It's not public/private, it's not open/closed enrollment, and it's not totally rural/urban.

 

I see advantages to public school, I see advantages to private schools. I see advantages to open enrollment, and I see advantages to closed enrollment. I see advantages to rural schools, and I see advantages to urban schools.

 

The problem that people will argue about is when you bring them all together. Urban versus rural, public versus private, and open versus closed enrollment. And, we will always have arguments about what advantages a school has over our school. But, that is not an issue as far as I am concerned. If the KHSAA has a rule that allows recruiting then go to it. I just want the rules enforced.

And, no offense, but the financial aid issue is a non-issue, as far as I'm concerned. Each family pays at least half of the tuition, regardless of financial aid. So, right there, it creates a disadvantage. That is a matter of a family's willingness to pay. Some can do so easily, many more sacrifice many things to make it happen.

I agree, tuition is a non-issue, as far as I am concerned. The only thing that I am concerned about is did a person benefit financially by an athlete attending one school over another.

When those advantages leave the playing field and creep into the administration and policies the kids can no longer decide the outcome.

 

Surley you can see past what you just posted.

 

I see it as a matter of choice by the family. I honestly don't understand your comment about the administration and policies deciding the outcome. Being able to offer financial aid does not create an unfair advantage because of the way it is administered, and the policies in place. And those violation of those policies and misadminstration are why LCA is in violation. The KHSAA has approved the application process and outside agency that determines the aid a family receives. The applications have been designed to give no indication of the students athletic inclinations or even their name. To that end, I believe that the administration are more than fair.

 

As far as seeing past what I posted, I can understand legitimate issues regarding advantages that may be ill-gained. However, given that the process for awarding financial aid has been clearly stripped of full aid, and aid based on any specific criteria other than financial need, I feel there can be no fairer way to adminsiter it.

JCPS and the Catholic High schools both have showcases where each school is represented, and student and faculty are there to answer questions and hand out information.

 

In addition, each of the Catholic schools have an open house, and I believe the public high schools do as well.

 

As far as my experience, they're directly comparable.

 

Thanks for the info.

Cover , I must say one thing. You are very fair in what you think and say.

Thank you as well.

I feel that recruiting violations are what the institution gains from the athlete. Not the athlete.

I guess most of us can see the argument by Rockmom. I was unaware Jefferson Co. did this. And like I said 6A is 6A. However, when we look at these smaller counties, beyond Jefferson and Fayette, we have a problem. Just look at county or city populations. The divisons were set to equalize this problem. I think adding 2 classes was meant to help, and maybe they have to an extent. But when you are sitting in a town of less than 7,000 people, with a small 1A high school, how can they honestly say they are in the same talent pool as a Lexington or Louisviile school that gets to "pick" their kids.

 

I guess with no matter what we all think and say, private schools are going to defend their right to continue to do what they do, and public schools are going to continue to call it out as unfair.

 

I do wonder why no private school representative has ever came out and said, "Yes, I would like a private school playoff bracket!" Do they think it would be unfair? Maybe the competition is a little too tough? In all fairness, there are many public school folks that are just fine playing a private school, and feel that the better team will just win.

I see it as a matter of choice by the family. I honestly don't understand your comment about the administration and policies deciding the outcome. Being able to offer financial aid does not create an unfair advantage because of the way it is administered, and the policies in place. And those violation of those policies and misadminstration are why LCA is in violation. The KHSAA has approved the application process and outside agency that determines the aid a family receives. The applications have been designed to give no indication of the students athletic inclinations or even their name. To that end, I believe that the administration are more than fair.

 

As far as seeing past what I posted, I can understand legitimate issues regarding advantages that may be ill-gained. However, given that the process for awarding financial aid has been clearly stripped of full aid, and aid based on any specific criteria other than financial need, I feel there can be no fairer way to adminsiter it.

 

Agreed with the way it is administered.

 

I don't feel it should be given at all. This is where we differ.

I guess most of us can see the argument by Rockmom. I was unaware Jefferson Co. did this. And like I said 6A is 6A. However, when we look at these smaller counties, beyond Jefferson and Fayette, we have a problem. Just look at county or city populations. The divisons were set to equalize this problem. I think adding 2 classes was meant to help, and maybe they have to an extent. But when you are sitting in a town of less than 7,000 people, with a small 1A high school, how can they honestly say they are in the same talent pool as a Lexington or Louisviile school that gets to "pick" their kids.

 

I do not belive that you are a Private School "basher", I just want to use your words.

 

THe bolded can apply to 1A LCA. It can (in a sense) apply to 1A Beechwood. Both are located in a large urban area, and do not have closed enrolment. So theoretically, this shows that the issue cannot be based only in terms of public and private.

I agree with most of what you have posted on the subject, RM. One of the main issues, is the definition of recruitment. Personally, I think that recruitment is a person getting monetary gain or gifts, for attending a particular school, or a coach persuading a player to transfer.

 

Some people think that one parent talking to another parent about a particular school is recruitment, I don't. I don't see advertising as recruitment. I, personally, have not experienced a show case as you have spoke of, but from what you have said, if everyone, schools and students, are allowed to attend, then I would not consider this recruitment either. Just my opinion.

 

Your absolutely correct. It's not public/private, it's not open/closed enrollment, and it's not totally rural/urban.

 

I see advantages to public school, I see advantages to private schools. I see advantages to open enrollment, and I see advantages to closed enrollment. I see advantages to rural schools, and I see advantages to urban schools.

 

The problem that people will argue about is when you bring them all together. Urban versus rural, public versus private, and open versus closed enrollment. And, we will always have arguments about what advantages a school has over our school. But, that is not an issue as far as I am concerned. If the KHSAA has a rule that allows recruiting then go to it. I just want the rules enforced.

 

I agree, tuition is a non-issue, as far as I am concerned. The only thing that I am concerned about is did a person benefit financially by an athlete attending one school over another.

 

 

Ram, I feel that is the issue as well. It is exactly what the private school side feels. That was why they proposed a larger investigative force in the KHSAA. The private schools are not collectively trying to gain any unfair advantages. And they have proposed solutions that would address both the alleged lack of investigation, and the problem the KHSAA has in trying to thoroughly investigate each allegation. The perplexing thing is that it was voted down by the very people who claim that the KHSAA doesn't do enough.

 

The part that makes the motive of those supporting a split suspicious is that they would vote down a proposal to allow more, and more thorough investigations. In doing so, it creates a perception that it isn't about the enforcement of rules, but in simply eliminating a subset of competition.

Agreed with the way it is administered.

 

I don't feel it should be given at all. This is where we differ.

 

 

Why shouldn't financial aid be given at all?

 

Should we not get financial aid for college either?

I feel that recruiting violations are what the institution gains from the athlete. Not the athlete.

 

Valid point that has not been addressed. Please explain it further.

I'll agree to get rid of financial aid for athletes, if the Government cuts me a refund check for all of the school taxes I pay, since my child (probably) will not go through the public school system.

I'll agree to get rid of financial aid for athletes, if the Government cuts me a refund check for all of the school taxes I pay, since my child (probably) will not go through the public school system.

 

 

I could be cool with that.

I do not belive that you are a Private School "basher", I just want to use your words.

 

THe bolded can apply to 1A LCA. It can (in a sense) apply to 1A Beechwood. Both are located in a large urban area, and do not have closed enrolment. So theoretically, this shows that the issue cannot be based only in terms of public and private.

 

No problem using my words Cover....

 

Honestly, you brought up a great point. I was always confused when I was in high school and went to watch Beechwood play and saw 60 to 70 strong on their sidelines. I agree, it can apply to Beechwood. Honestly, I don't understand enough about how that all works in the places with so many independent school in one area, therefore I won't really say anything about it, but you do bring up a great point.

I guess most of us can see the argument by Rockmom. I was unaware Jefferson Co. did this. And like I said 6A is 6A. However, when we look at these smaller counties, beyond Jefferson and Fayette, we have a problem. Just look at county or city populations. The divisons were set to equalize this problem. I think adding 2 classes was meant to help, and maybe they have to an extent. But when you are sitting in a town of less than 7,000 people, with a small 1A high school, how can they honestly say they are in the same talent pool as a Lexington or Louisviile school that gets to "pick" their kids.

 

I guess with no matter what we all think and say, private schools are going to defend their right to continue to do what they do, and public schools are going to continue to call it out as unfair.

 

I do wonder why no private school representative has ever came out and said, "Yes, I would like a private school playoff bracket!" Do they think it would be unfair? Maybe the competition is a little too tough? In all fairness, there are many public school folks that are just fine playing a private school, and feel that the better team will just win.

 

As far as football, I believe the biggest disparity is in 6A, between public and private. The other issue is the size of schools. The state has capped the limits for enrollment, and that means that more schools are built and student populations split when that occurs. That attrition is a cycle that continually splits the "talent" among several schools. The best example, I believe, is most apparent in the NKY 6A.