My main point on LaRussa is he was well aware of the issue but because of his DUI had no real ground to stand on in addressing the concern for one of his players. You are dealing with grown men paid millions to play a kids game. They get done with work late, they are wired from the action and they don't have to get up before noon very often. So a lot of them drink and party a lot. It was a clear problem days before he died, and it was well known throughout the club house. I think his ability to lead this team is shot...

Don't you roll your eyes at me young man. :irked:

I'm never wrong and you know it. Just ask me...

If people knew the consequences for their actions, no one would ever do anything wrong. People make their own choices, it's as simple as that. I don't see how LaRussa stepping down would have changed the mind of anyone to not drink and drive. I really doubt at the moment the choice was made to drink and drive, that whether or not he would get in trouble with his team entered his mind. Even if LaRussa had been fired, it wouldn't have changed the situation Hancock chose to be in.(Not saying he chose to die, I'm saying he chose to drink and drive)

Just because we don't agree it doesn't make us enemies. :thumb:

 

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I don't remember, it's irrelevant, he continued to manage the Cardinals afterwards.

 

That was a rhetorical question. You cannot say he "got away with it" when he got arrested and suffered public humiliation. Yes, he got to keep his job like most Americans do.

My argument is this: Tony LaRussa's job requires him to lead players, and it extends off the field,.

 

It does not.

My main point on LaRussa is he was well aware of the issue but because of his DUI had no real ground to stand on in addressing the concern for one of his players.

 

Tony was quoted today saying that he had just had a heart-to-heart with Josh about drinking a few days prior to the accident.

Huggins should have been fired when he got his DUI. Not over a year later after even more damage was done. That's the point. I'm all for second chances, but when you do nothing and now a player is dead, shouldn't something be done???

 

I can buy that. While Hancock is ultimately responsible for his own actions if there had been a pattern of alcohol abuse and it was ignored it does show poor judgement to allow the manager to stay on. I can't remember now, was LaRussa actually charged with DUI, I know he said he was sleepy and unfamiliar with his surroundings.

We are talking about what a grown man decided to do on his own. Not a kid, a man just short of THIRTY years old. He was making a bad choice on his own and that is the bottom line. We as adults are responsible for what we decide to do, nobody forced him to drink and nobody forced him to drive, he had the chance to not do either but did both instead. Tony LaRussa made a mistake and paid for it and will continue to do so. There is NO WAY that this is LaRussa's fault in any way, shape or form.

I agree. The manager is the leader of the team and made a terrible choice, now they are banning beer from the locker room. All teams should follow this example. Just like the place I work at. Once something happens and its too late they act.

 

Driving and drunk do not mix. Zero tolerence.

LaRussa is the authority figure in the clubhouse. It's HIS team. It's his job to keep up with the players the franchise is paying him a lot of money to manage. HE set the bad example. He obviously didn't get across how serious it was. He now has a player dead on his watch. If he didn't have a DUI VERY recently, he wouldn't be an issue in this in my eyes. Since he did, I think a message needs to be sent...

 

On his watch? Come on!

I didn't know that coach's follow their players around.

Another case of trying to pass off personal responsibilty to somebody else.

 

Maybe we should look and see if any off his former coach's made mistakes too. Or look into his parents background I am sure somebody could find something there as well. Then we can get his dad to serve the time his son would served if had been caught driving drunk.

 

Maybe the person who's car that was broke down on the side of the road should share in the responsibility.

GAmetime: I agree with you on a lot of topics but this is not one. No way this is LaRussa fault. LaRussa actually had a one on one with Hancock about his drinking and partying and he did not stop. To lay this on Larussa is way off.

And a bad precident was set in the clubhouse from the top down, right? LaRussa's head should roll on this one...

 

I would agree with you if this wasn't a professional sport. In college or anywhere below I would completely understand that. But we are talking about grown men here who should know better between right and wrong. What Larussa did was wrong, but I dont believe for one second that if Larussa didn't do that,then this wouldn't haven't happen, because these are grown men. They should know the right thing to do, and it shouldn't matter what someone else has done...

I would agree with you if this wasn't a professional sport. In college or anywhere below I would completely understand that. But we are talking about grown men here who should know better between right and wrong. What Larussa did was wrong, but I dont believe for one second that if Larussa didn't do that,then this wouldn't haven't happen, because these are grown men. They should know the right thing to do, and it shouldn't matter what someone else has done...

A quick look at every pro sport will show these "grown men" are FAR from grown a lot of the time...

GAmetime: I agree with you on a lot of topics but this is not one. No way this is LaRussa fault. LaRussa actually had a one on one with Hancock about his drinking and partying and he did not stop. To lay this on Larussa is way off.

Where have I laid this all on LaRussa? It's on Hancock and he paid the ultimate price. What about the next Cardinal with this problem? He's lost a lot of his ability to lead this team. I'm not calling for legal action. I'm not transferring blame. I'm saying Doubleday should step down. Not be fired. Not leave in disgrace. I think it would be the best for the franchise. I guess time will tell...