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LOVE IT!!!! :jump: :ylsuper: :thumb: :banana: :dancingpa

Sounds fine to me, based on my short history here I had to check though.

Then I ask that rule apply to everyone, not just when I say something but when they say things to me as well.

Like I said, I apologize for the incorrect post.

Yes, I guess you would have to be surprised about what I have watched. Movies and tapes were abudantly available even in the 1960's, not just during the "O.J." era that we live in now. Pick your players, pick your teams but please check your attitude and remarks, they are boring and bring nothing relevant to the discussion.

Thank you very much.

I thought Ashland won in 1960 and was runner up in 1961, I apologize if I was incorrect.

Tubby: "So, what you're saying is, you ask the really good ones to come to your school and YOU do it instead of getting your assistants to do it?" Billy Clyde: "Yep, works for me."

Yes, you must be confused because I never once said that I saw Conley play in person. However, maybe someone could see tape and make a decision, there are many ways to have "personal knowledge". I never saw Babe Ruth play in person but I can make an educated decision of how I would rank him among the baseball greats. Do not go on about "lack of real personal knowledge" when you don't know me, it makes you look like you know very little of which you speak. I am not trying to make this personal, but I would like for you to not misquote my posts and make it sound like I said things that I obviously did not. I don't think that is asking too much of the "Kingfish".

Ervin Stepp alone lit up many a net, the rest of these guys were incredible in their own right as well. Put all of these guys on the court at the same time and the nets may have lasted 10 minutes, if they were lucky! :ylsuper:

I did not say that I saw Conley play in person, I said I was going on personal knowledge. Please read my post again if there is any confusion.

I am going on personal knowledge, yes. And as far as discounting Conley's contributions on the championship team, I would say that his fellow players may have a different opinion about discounting his importance. Players today may be more athletic and stronger but does that mean they shoot the ball better, pass better, handle the ball better or in general play the game better? You have your criteria, I have mine and that is fine. I have no doubt your mind will not change on this as I am sure that mine opinion is still the same for the same reasons as I stated in my earlier post.

You are right, I forgot all about that. :laugh:

You are 100 percent correct.

Mayo had a great career while at Rose Hill but when he left after his 8th grade year that completed his "body of work" there. Based on that time period and the player that he was when he left, not after, I would put Conley and Hall ahead for their total works. Conley won a state championship and was a runner up the next year and Jeff Hall finished with a great career as well. I am not going to go over the rest of the players because I know more about these two than probably most of the others. But just basing it on body of work within the 16th Region and not in other states I have to say that while he had a great two years here I personally would not put him among the all time players because of what they did over a longer period and O.J. when he left was not the player that Hall and Conley were when they left high school. And I am not being partisan, just using criteria that I believe to be valid and fair.

Just one more example of how that going D1, while being something to be proud of, still does not always equate being a better player than someone who did not go to a D1 school and I am very sure that you know this local player. Ty Barnes did not go to a NCAA school but I think that you would have to admit that he is a better player than the players that you felt I have slighted. And I guess I am not currently a "paid expert" but at one time I did make my living in the spectrum of sports media so I do feel that I know more than a little about what I am talking about.

The Ashland Tomcat team that won the State Championship, I believe it was in 1960. Best team ever from the 16th Region.

Over the years Duke and Coach K have got break after break, on and off the court, and the media is usually so pro-Duke and Coach K it is bordering on idol worship. He can get over it and himself. I remember very well the whinning over playing Indiana in Rupp and the way Davis handled it from IU was the best thing that Coach K could have and should have done. Davis joked about it, saying that if he had ever said anything bad about UK or their fans he was sorry, just playing it up and having a good time. And I for probably the only time I can ever remember rooted for IU.

Yes, he had a great two year run in Toronto going a combined 41-13 but when he went to New York his first two years there he went a total of 27-18, not even close to the numbers he had with the Blue Jays. Truth is he was out to prove something to the Red Sox when he went to the Blue Jays and he did that. And like I said earlier with Bonds numbers being so distinctly different it was to very different DECADES, first 10 years averaged around 29 home runs per year then the next ten years averaged over 40. Now that is soemthing that is very distinct and Bonds did not just put on some weight as he got older, his head is bigger along with the rest of his body. I cannot say 100 percent that Clemens never did anything or that Bonds did but if I had to bet on one I would lay my money on Barry being the cheater.

Raceland: Bob Braden for sure. Not even 6"3 and averaged double figure rebounds his junior and senior year.

16th Region based on players I have seen play ( in no order ) Jeff Hall Steve Skaggs Rocky Adkins Don Rigsby Mark Watkins Marty Thomas Chuck Cantrell Jeff Tipton Mike Scott Jeff Tipton had one of the most incredible state tournament games his senior year. In the double overtime loss to Covington Holmes lead by Dicky Beal, Jeff had 41 points and 19 rebounds. And Mike Scott had a great state tourney too although Greenup as a team was over matched I remember Mike having some stats almost as good as what Jeff Tipton had.

You being from the area makes it hard to believe that you are not familiar with my players but I will inform you about them the best that I can. Chris Jones went to the University of Kentucky as a walk on. Mark Watkins went to a college in Tennessee, Milligan I believe where he played for Ron Reed. Roberts, Synstricker and Ryan Watkins I am not sure what they did after high school as far as playing sports is concerned. And yes, Rick Hensley was a very good player and if you want to start your own Russell list with him then that is wonderful, I have finished making my list and am very happy with it.

Wow. Makes one wonder what was going on behind the scenes. Looks like she did not need too much time off.

I don't believe that because one is going to play D1 that automatically means that they are better than someone who did not play D1. I would humbly submit that Dennis Rodman and Walter Payton did not play D1 and I would take them over Walter Berry ( who was NCAA player of the year ) and Archie Griffin ( who won two Heisman Trophies ). And as far as all state goes there are several all state teams, some that said player made and some that he did not. You obviously have personal reasons for how you feel, mine are non-biased like I said so I am very comfortable with my reasons for the picks I made and I feel that I would not replace any of my picks with Vanhoose, Hensley or Howell because they were not as good as the players I picked. Nothing personal.

Hibbert will go before the ten pick, that is almost a given. A lot of size and he has improved each year.