February 13, 200719 yr You still have not answered the question that I first posed, and then IamFan said as well, and that is how can you say Dunn had no one around him in the lineup when the Reds for most of the years he has been here has been one of the top scoring teams in the NL. That would mean that we had to have people on bases, and well Dunn still has never had that good of RBI numbers, and usually is the WORST one at just being able to have a sac. fly when a guy is on third to score someone. The whole argument saying Dunn hasn't had that good of numbers because he dont have anyone around him is just not true, because he has had guys around him who apparently were able to get it done, because if we were leading the league in runs scored that must mean other people must have been driving in runs since he certaintly has always failed at that...The REDs had 2 (two), other than Dunn, whom hit more than 20 HR's....where is the protection. Griffey - 27 Ross - 21 You keep saying this. You used to say "starting pitching"....... Make up your mind!!!! They don't have the money to get protection. Dunn had the same numbers (slightly better, but IMO the league figured him out and that has more to do with the fall off than protection). Are you going to fork out the 15 million plus to get that big stick behind Dunn? This thread is about Dunn, not starting pitching and I've stated it before, obviously I will one more time....The Reds need starting pitching. The league has figured him out and thus, the reason teams pitch to him the way the do.
February 13, 200719 yr You claim to know baseball and make that post? Irony at its finest... Have you read Money Ball? Who did Wayne have making 10 million in Minnesota? Who did Oakland ever pay? Edwin can't make the throw to first, Dunn is TERRIBLE in left, and Griffey is 57 years old and still playing a position that requires that he covers some ground. I believe the Reds should split up the lefties in the line-up (it's baseball right?), and the only Red falling faster than Dunn is Griffey so I gotta think he should hit 5th. What about that isn't smart?
February 13, 200719 yr (EVERY GAME HE CAN WALK) That was supposed to say something completely different. If Edwin gets benched for an Aurilia type this year I'll find a new team to root for. Your young stud has to get AB's.
February 13, 200719 yr Dunn for sure has played more games. I would like to look at the situation for most of these. For instance when Dunn was hitting 6th or 7th and had Larue, Castro, Valentine, and the rest of those guys behind him you would be crazy to pitch to him w/ men on base. I wish Griffey would have been dropped in the lineup a million times, but he almost always hits 3rd. He has declined since he's been here. So if Griffey's up and he had Kearns, Aurilia, and/or Dunn behind him it's less likely they would walk him. :thumb: Griffey has played in about half the games Dunn has.
February 13, 200719 yr Have you read Money Ball? Who did Wayne have making 10 million in Minnesota? Who did Oakland ever pay? Edwin can't make the throw to first, Dunn is TERRIBLE in left, and Griffey is 57 years old and still playing a position that requires that he covers some ground. I believe the Reds should split up the lefties in the line-up (it's baseball right?), and the only Red falling faster than Dunn is Griffey so I gotta think he should hit 5th. What about that isn't smart? Suggesting Dunn in the 3 spot is maybe your worst post on this site. Put the guy who has the most trouble with contact in the spot where you need contact the most. Foolish and you know it...
February 13, 200719 yr I think Dunn might be one of those players that things come so easily that it does not look like he is giving an effort. He is not a frantic player like a Freel but still can give an effort and come across as not given an effort. I think it's hard to say that the game comes easily to a guy that hits .220 and is a terrible outfileder. When a ball is hit to left field and it's not right at him at no time do I think to myself the game comes so easy to this guy.
February 13, 200719 yr Suggesting Dunn in the 3 spot is maybe your worst post on this site. Put the guy who has the most trouble with contact in the spot where you need contact the most. Foolish and you know it... Where would you like him to hit?
February 13, 200719 yr Suggesting Dunn in the 3 spot is maybe your worst post on this site. Put the guy who has the most trouble with contact in the spot where you need contact the most. Foolish and you know it... The 2 spot should be your best contact hitter. Lead-off gets on, Second hitter advances him, the 3 and 4 drive them in....... Who do you hit there? Griffey?????? Edwin??????? or Dunn????? There isn't really a 4th option.
February 13, 200719 yr He's best suited as a 2 or 5 hitter... I as a Reds fan would hate to see them pay a guy 10 million to hit 2nd, but I agree that it may be his best spot.
February 13, 200719 yr He's best suited as a 2 or 5 hitter... Name another 2 hitter ever that struck out that much.....(that's a loaded question because nobody has ever struck out that much). The advantage is that Dunn won't hit a ground ball so not much chance of the double play.
February 13, 200719 yr The 2 spot should be your best contact hitter. Lead-off gets on, Second hitter advances him, the 3 and 4 drive them in....... Who do you hit there? Griffey?????? Edwin??????? or Dunn????? There isn't really a 4th option. Dunn's walks would sort of negate the large strikeout totals. Instead of hitting and running or bunting with him like a typical number 2 hitter he would advance a lot of runners when he walks. Also, since he isn't a very good hitter with runners in scoring position or RBI guy (in relative terms he does usually drive in 90+ but over half of them are when he drives in himself) you really wouldn't be wasting his RBI potential by hitting him in the 2 hole. I could actually see this working okay, plus with Freel on he'd probably get a few more fastballs to cut down on the running game.
February 13, 200719 yr The second batter, most often just referred to as in the two-hole, is usually a contact hitter with the ability to bunt or get a hit, although the art of bunting is becoming increasingly rare nowadays. His main goal is to move the leadoff man into scoring position. Often, these hitters are fairly quick and tend to avoid grounding into double plays. The third batter, in the three-hole, is generally the best all-around hitter on the team, often hitting for a high batting average but not necessarily very fast. Part of his job is to help set the table for the cleanup hitter, and part of it is to help drive in baserunners himself. Third-place hitters are best known for "keeping the inning alive." However in recent years, many managers have tended to put their best slugger in this position. Babe Ruth usually batted third in the lineup during his career; recent examples are David Ortiz, Barry Bonds, Todd Helton and Albert Pujols. With the walks Dunn would certainly set the table for the 4 hitter. He also would get better pitches (STRIKE3), which would somewhat cut back on K's. Also, (and unfortunately) I think he's the Reds best hitter.
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