Not sure if anyone has pointed this out but the All A is no different than any other tournament BESIDES the Sweet 16 in the eyes of the KHSAA. KHSAA does not run or behind this event.

 

The ALL A process is actually two tournaments in the eyes of the KHSAA and scheduling. THe regional counts as one tournament and the state counts as a second tournament.

 

So if your team wins the KFC Fried Chicken tournament hosted by Rural public school, it means the same in the eyes of the KHSAA as winning the state ALL A.

Curious.

I feel that A schools should declare which tourney they are going to play in prior to the season. If they choose the All A, they would be ineligible to play in the KHSAA state tournament.

Unfair advantage to play in a state tourney during the year, then get to use that experience later on.

I think if this proposal would fly, then you would see the group of teams that Stan Steidel ultimately hoped would have an opportunity to play for a state title.

 

This might be the craziest thing I have ever seen on BGP and that covers a lot of ground. The All-A is an invitational for small schools, period. It is no more an advantage than the other invitational tournaments during the season.:fight:

I have never really understood the reasoning for the all A, there are AA, AAA and AAAA schools who have never had the opportunity to go to state either but there is not a special tournament for them. Also, some schools are "A" when they choose to be. At least one all A school is playing up in football next year. Why do schools have the option to play up to avoid competition when they choose. If we are going to have classes, schools should have to play wherever their numbers place them. Just one opinion.

This might be the craziest thing I have ever seen on BGP and that covers a lot of ground. The All-A is an invitational for small schools, period. It is no more an advantage than the other invitational tournaments during the season.:fight:

 

AMEN! This tourney is no bigger than the 5/3 or King of the Bluegrass. There is no advantage to playing in the All A. It is great for the small schools, I like the tourney, but those who participate gain no advantage come post season.

AMEN! This tourney is no bigger than the 5/3 or King of the Bluegrass. There is no advantage to playing in the All A. It is great for the small schools, I like the tourney, but those who participate gain no advantage come post season.

I wouldn't go that far. There is a great advantage of playing in that atmosphere. The time between the regional and state tournaments, the crowds, etc.

 

Thought some might be interested to know how the All A got started.

http://www.allaclassic.org/General%20Information/all%20a%20information%20homepage.htm

 

The groundwork for the Kentucky All-A-Classic was formed in 1980 through the efforts of coaches like Stan Steidel of Dayton, Father Ed Heile of Covington Latin, Bill Frey of Covington Holy Cross and others. The inception of a small school basketball tournament began in January of 1980. The first Class "A" Tournament was held at Holy Cross High School in Latonia with eight teams. In 1981 it moved to Bellevue with ten teams, all from Northern Kentucky.

 

The 1982 to 1989 Classic went statewide by inviting six Class A schools from around the state to compete with the ten northern Kentucky schools. In 1990 the All "A" Classic experienced a dream come true: A statewide championship tournament with sixteen boys' regional tournament winners competing in Lexington in February. Then in 1991 the All "A" Classic expanded to include the field of 16 boys' regional winners and included four girls' sectional winners competing in the statewide finals. In 1992, the statewide tournament again expanded to include eight girls' teams and in 1993 included the full complement of 16 boys and 16 girls teams.

Curious.

I feel that A schools should declare which tourney they are going to play in prior to the season. If they choose the All A, they would be ineligible to play in the KHSAA state tournament.

Unfair advantage to play in a state tourney during the year, then get to use that experience later on.

I think if this proposal would fly, then you would see the group of teams that Stan Steidel ultimately hoped would have an opportunity to play for a state title.

Maybe all schools with enrollments over 1000 should be ineligible for the state tournament because their numbers give them an advantage. This is as illogical as your suggestion.

I think it is more of an unfair advantage to play in something like the 5th/3rd than it is the All "A", there is better competition in the tourney in Lexington than the one in Richmond.

My thoughts exactly.

Sounds like sour grapes to me;)

Ill bet the person who doesnt want a small all A school to play in their own tournament has no problem with other large schools playing in multiple holiday and season tournaments.

At least one all A school is playing up in football next year. Why do schools have the option to play up to avoid competition when they choose.

Schools play up for better competition.

Out of the 17 statewide All "A" tourneys how many have been one by private schools? 13-14? Has any public school besides Bardstown and Hazard ever won it? Is this What Stan envisioned? It goes back to the whole public/private argument. Private schools recruit by nature for students. I really don't care either way and do think that private schools should be included in both ALL "A" and Sweet Sixteen. Makes it even sweeter when they (private schools get beat). Gives the public schools a chance to unite and root against the private schools and vice-versa. It is called competition. :thumb:

Out of the 17 statewide All "A" tourneys how many have been one by private schools? 13-14? Has any public school besides Bardstown and Hazard ever won it? Is this What Stan envisioned? It goes back to the whole public/private argument. Private schools recruit by nature for students. I really don't care either way and do think that private schools should be included in both ALL "A" and Sweet Sixteen. Makes it even sweeter when they (private schools get beat). Gives the public schools a chance to unite and root against the private schools and vice-versa. It is called competition. :thumb:

Five of the seven players who played for Brossart this weekend have played together since third grade and all grew up about 5 minutes away from the school. The other two are from schools that are also feeder schools of Brossart. Up here in NKY, schools like NewCath, Holy Cross, St. Henry, Brossart, etc. do things right...

Curious.

I feel that A schools should declare which tourney they are going to play in prior to the season. If they choose the All A, they would be ineligible to play in the KHSAA state tournament.

Unfair advantage to play in a state tourney during the year, then get to use that experience later on.

I think if this proposal would fly, then you would see the group of teams that Stan Steidel ultimately hoped would have an opportunity to play for a state title.

 

Rediculous! The unfair advantage is a Class A school of 200 playing in a State Toruney game against a 4A school of 2000. So maybe this evens out the field somewhat, though I doubt it.

Five of the seven players who played for Brossart this weekend have played together since third grade and all grew up about 5 minutes away from the school. The other two are from schools that are also feeder schools of Brossart. Up here in NKY, schools like NewCath, Holy Cross, St. Henry, Brossart, etc. do things right...

 

:thumb: :thumb:

 

Some people just want to try and discredit anything a private school does. I know I for one am proud to be an alumni of the 07' All A State Champs!!:ylsuper:

Schools play up for better competition.

Or in some cases lesser....bigger doesn't always mean better.

Out of the 17 statewide All "A" tourneys how many have been one by private schools? 13-14? Has any public school besides Bardstown and Hazard ever won it? Is this What Stan envisioned? It goes back to the whole public/private argument. Private schools recruit by nature for students. I really don't care either way and do think that private schools should be included in both ALL "A" and Sweet Sixteen. Makes it even sweeter when they (private schools get beat). Gives the public schools a chance to unite and root against the private schools and vice-versa. It is called competition. :thumb:

Dilce Combs (now part of Perry Central) won it in 1993, Harlan won it in 1994 and 1995 and Glasgow won it in 2001.

 

In all honesty, the only time I've heard grumbling about a private school champion is when it is either University Heights or Lexington Catholic.

Out of the 17 statewide All "A" tourneys how many have been one by private schools? 13-14? Has any public school besides Bardstown and Hazard ever won it? Is this What Stan envisioned? It goes back to the whole public/private argument. Private schools recruit by nature for students. I really don't care either way and do think that private schools should be included in both ALL "A" and Sweet Sixteen. Makes it even sweeter when they (private schools get beat). Gives the public schools a chance to unite and root against the private schools and vice-versa. It is called competition. :thumb:

 

Here's a list of the champs:

2007-Bishop Brossart

2006-Bardstown

2005-University Heights Academy

2004-Hazard

2003-St. Henry

2002-University Heights Academy

2001-Glasgow

2000-Newport Central Catholic

1999-University Heights Academy

1998-University Heights Academy

1997-Lexington Catholic

1996-University Heights Academy

1995-Harlan

1994-Harlan

1993-Dilce Combs

1992-Lexington Catholic

1991-University Heights Academy

1990-University Heights Academy

 

Private schools have won 12 of 18 titles, a number that is skewed by University Heights dominance of the first 10 tourneys. Over the last 7 years 3 public schools and 4 private schools have won the title. Its more wide open now than it ever was, I don't feel like it needs to be changed at all.