15 minutes ago, 9068 said:

Anyone know how long Jeff Barth has been at WV?

2009, the Bearcats second year of football - 15 seasons.

Seems like we're entering an era where finding coaches willing to take on the grind of being a high school football coach in present day NKY/KHSAA football atmosphere. I know I've spoken to several coaches in various sports around NKY who bemoan - rightfully so - how much the "game" has changed even in the last 10-15 years. More hours, more requirements, more NONSENSE from parents and neighborhood "mafias". 

Have we hit the point where we start seeing some of the most qualified coaches bow out of the high school game altogether and we start seeing less qualified coaches getting jobs that would have one day been hotly contested? 

1 hour ago, BrosefStalin said:

Seems like we're entering an era where finding coaches willing to take on the grind of being a high school football coach in present day NKY/KHSAA football atmosphere. I know I've spoken to several coaches in various sports around NKY who bemoan - rightfully so - how much the "game" has changed even in the last 10-15 years. More hours, more requirements, more NONSENSE from parents and neighborhood "mafias". 

Have we hit the point where we start seeing some of the most qualified coaches bow out of the high school game altogether and we start seeing less qualified coaches getting jobs that would have one day been hotly contested? 

I can tell you from my own point of you it has. I made the decision a few years ago to stop. The demands from 30 years ago till now is shocking. I personally realized as much as I love the sport of football, I loved having a little bit of a life more.

58 minutes ago, BrosefStalin said:

Seems like we're entering an era where finding coaches willing to take on the grind of being a high school football coach in present day NKY/KHSAA football atmosphere. I know I've spoken to several coaches in various sports around NKY who bemoan - rightfully so - how much the "game" has changed even in the last 10-15 years. More hours, more requirements, more NONSENSE from parents and neighborhood "mafias". 

Have we hit the point where we start seeing some of the most qualified coaches bow out of the high school game altogether and we start seeing less qualified coaches getting jobs that would have one day been hotly contested? 

I never thought I would see the day when Nick Saban walked away from the game but our game is changing drastically. I honestly think the popularity contest and parents at the high school level have become too much for some guys. All of the fence row John Maddens tend to partner up and run coaches out of town because they think they can do it better when over half can't even qualify for a job and don't want to put in the hours required to run a program. Guys put in many hours and a lot of effort and now it almost seems like the "Game" is no longer about football.  

I have posted this before, head high school football coaches are grossly underpaid in Kentucky.

Over in the Boone County thread a lot of us are talking about doom and gloom and I sit back and think to myself how many principals, assistant principals, and administrators in all of the high schools, middle schools, and elementary schools in Boone County are making six figures?  Then I ask myself how much money does a head high school football coach make for being the head coach?

In short, these high school coaching jobs are not worth it, not even close. 

6 minutes ago, Hard Work said:

I never thought I would see the day when Nick Saban walked away from the game but our game is changing drastically. I honestly think the popularity contest and parents at the high school level have become too much for some guys. All of the fence row John Maddens tend to partner up and run coaches out of town because they think they can do it better when over half can't even qualify for a job and don't want to put in the hours required to run a program. Guys put in many hours and a lot of effort and now it almost seems like the "Game" is no longer about football.  

 

1 hour ago, BrosefStalin said:

Seems like we're entering an era where finding coaches willing to take on the grind of being a high school football coach in present day NKY/KHSAA football atmosphere. I know I've spoken to several coaches in various sports around NKY who bemoan - rightfully so - how much the "game" has changed even in the last 10-15 years. More hours, more requirements, more NONSENSE from parents and neighborhood "mafias". 

Have we hit the point where we start seeing some of the most qualified coaches bow out of the high school game altogether and we start seeing less qualified coaches getting jobs that would have one day been hotly contested? 

As someone who has attended high school football games all of my life I can tell you I cringe when I see a bunch of dads standing on a fence line on Friday night. It varies from place to place, but it is rarely positive coming from that area. And without fail, the loudest of them all usually has the biggest tumbler in his hand.

4 minutes ago, theguru said:

I have posted this before, head high school football coaches are grossly underpaid in Kentucky.

Over in the Boone County thread a lot of us are talking about doom and gloom and I sit back and think to myself how many principals, assistant principals, and administrators in all of the high schools, middle schools, and elementary schools in Boone County are making six figures?  Then I ask myself how much money does a head high school football coach make for being the head coach?

In short, these high school coaching jobs are not worth it, not even close. 

And on top most are expected to teach a full schedule, make sure their kids stay out of trouble, run off-season weights, promote their program in the off-season, fundraising and win during the season for an extra 8-12k a year?

2 minutes ago, Buck2 said:

And on top most are expected to teach a full schedule, make sure their kids stay out of trouble, run off-season weights, promote their program in the off-season, fundraising and win during the season for an extra 8-12k a year?

Exactly, it is a joke. 

Unless there is a special deal made, I'd say most head coaches in our area make about $5-$10,000.  Most of this information is probably public on their websites if you search.  Nowadays, you have the off-season, spring football, summer, the season and a society that knows everything.  The majority of your NKY head coaches are probably teaching a full schedule as well.  It's a difficult job with very little pay.

 

Coach Trosper has been at Conner since 2007, I think.

Not sure about Borchers.

 

When coaching football in high school (especially NKY) it is and never was about the money. It's always been about the kids/players first. Every coach accepts that from the start. 

Unfortunately when the parents and players started making it about me, me,me. It has taken away all the incentive for Coaches to spend their time trying to guide, teach and cultivate these young men. It makes the situation not worth it.

5 minutes ago, BBHCEAGLE said:

When coaching football in high school (especially NKY) it is and never was about the money. It's always been about the kids/players first. Every coach accepts that from the start. 

Unfortunately when the parents and players started making it about me, me,me. It has taken away all the incentive for Coaches to spend their time trying to guide, teach and cultivate these young men. It makes the situation not worth it.

I believe most would tell you it is not about the money but with the demands of the job have changed and the pay has not. The same can be said for teacher pay in general. The HFC is the towards of the top of the totem pole when you think of a school / district. 

1 hour ago, Footballfan5 said:

Unless there is a special deal made, I'd say most head coaches in our area make about $5-$10,000.  Most of this information is probably public on their websites if you search.  Nowadays, you have the off-season, spring football, summer, the season and a society that knows everything.  The majority of your NKY head coaches are probably teaching a full schedule as well.  It's a difficult job with very little pay.

 

Coach Trosper has been at Conner since 2007, I think.

Not sure about Borchers.

 

Borchers was a year later in 2008.  Unless I am missing someone, both Trosper and Borchers are the longest tenured coaches at one school in NKY.

14 minutes ago, Buck2 said:

I believe most would tell you it is not about the money but with the demands of the job have changed and the pay has not. The same can be said for teacher pay in general. The HFC is the towards of the top of the totem pole when you think of a school / district. 

He should be, but is not at some places

38 minutes ago, HedgeHog8 said:

He should be, but is not at some places

How many of those places are consistently good at football? 

2 hours ago, Pi said:

 

As someone who has attended high school football games all of my life I can tell you I cringe when I see a bunch of dads standing on a fence line on Friday night. It varies from place to place, but it is rarely positive coming from that area. And without fail, the loudest of them all usually has the biggest tumbler in his hand.

The things I've seen with the "fence line" during high school and youth games have been beyond appalling ... especially at youth games. Not sure if it still goes on, but some of the behavior of parents at Mills Road during youth football games was bad enough that security needed to be hired at times.