10 minutes ago, Buck2 said:

How many of those places are consistently good at football? 

Few and far between. I was simply making a point that as school changes and more input comes from the state, the loss of autonomy puts more stress on the administrators to micromanage the school. The role we used to think the HFC used to serve in school just isn't the same anymore and isn't valued the same.

ie, kid used to get in trouble, you would send him to the football coach to learn some discipline, teamwork and all the good things he needs but isn't getting. The coach taught him how to deal with problems in a physical yet constructive way.

Now you have a platoon of mental health advisors both in and out of school that ask him why he gets in trouble and prescribes time of reflection. I'm not saying either is better or worse than the other, but that is what school is now. Priority is on kids mental health and behavior, and counselors trump coaches.

2 minutes ago, BrosefStalin said:

The things I've seen with the "fence line" during high school and youth games have been beyond appalling ... especially at youth games. Not sure if it still goes on, but some of the behavior of parents at Mills Road during youth football games was bad enough that security needed to be hired at times. 

 

 

Years ago when I was talking with a NKY high school athletic director they made the comment to me that they day he hated the most was when his school hosted the NKYFL games. His stadium had a grass field and said it wasn't about the tearing up of the grass it was that the fans "tear up everything else." I found that very interesting.

10 minutes ago, BrosefStalin said:

The things I've seen with the "fence line" during high school and youth games have been beyond appalling ... especially at youth games. Not sure if it still goes on, but some of the behavior of parents at Mills Road during youth football games was bad enough that security needed to be hired at times. 

 

 

At Mills, they'll creep onto the field and start getting on the sidelines.  I've stopped a starter game, starters!, to get parents off the sidelines and back in the stands.  It's ridiculous.

 

As for high school coaches, it's just going to get worse.  Not only are scholarships at stake for these players, it's now scholarships and millions of dollars due to the NIL.  

4 hours ago, BrosefStalin said:

Seems like we're entering an era where finding coaches willing to take on the grind of being a high school football coach in present day NKY/KHSAA football atmosphere. I know I've spoken to several coaches in various sports around NKY who bemoan - rightfully so - how much the "game" has changed even in the last 10-15 years. More hours, more requirements, more NONSENSE from parents and neighborhood "mafias". 

Have we hit the point where we start seeing some of the most qualified coaches bow out of the high school game altogether and we start seeing less qualified coaches getting jobs that would have one day been hotly contested? 

I think we are, unfortunately. Good opportunity for new coaches, but the qualifications and what is considered a “good hire” will change. 

Head coaches are certainly underpaid. Yes, no one does it for the money, but the job title is much more than just calling plays and timeouts on Friday nights. 

“A coach will impact more young people in a year than the average person does in a lifetime.”

 

1 minute ago, TheConch said:

I think we are, unfortunately. Good opportunity for new coaches, but the qualifications and what is considered a “good hire” will change. 

I believe it already has changed. 

 

29 minutes ago, TheConch said:

I think we are, unfortunately. Good opportunity for new coaches, but the qualifications and what is considered a “good hire” will change. 

Unfortunately, a lot of these schools have an unrealistic expectation for their coach as well. Why should these schools expect a big-time name to apply when they have had no success? Many of these schools refuse to give new blood a fair shake. When in reality that is what they need someone looking to make a name and embrace the grind. 

5 hours ago, BrosefStalin said:

Seems like we're entering an era where finding coaches willing to take on the grind of being a high school football coach in present day NKY/KHSAA football atmosphere. I know I've spoken to several coaches in various sports around NKY who bemoan - rightfully so - how much the "game" has changed even in the last 10-15 years. More hours, more requirements, more NONSENSE from parents and neighborhood "mafias". 

Have we hit the point where we start seeing some of the most qualified coaches bow out of the high school game altogether and we start seeing less qualified coaches getting jobs that would have one day been hotly contested? 

This is a good question and post, but I don’t think so. I think there are way too many competitive guys that love the game/trying to win and want to make an impact on 14-18 year olds. 

While I personally think they should be paid more, no one gets into high school coaching for money. I don’t think some of the other requirements brought up will take away from why they’re coaching in the first place (also winning cures everything). 

3 hours ago, theguru said:

I believe it already has changed. 

True and declining quickly.

As mentioned no one is coaching (especially being a HC) for the money. It can be a descent bump but nothing too substantial. One of the biggest factors is administrative support from the school and district. Those two things go a LONG way and they can also make the job extremely hard. I think many would be surprised by some of stuff HC are responsible for at some schools. 

The parents and current landscape of sports doesn’t help. Posts on social media about invites and offers. The overall change in HS and college athletics. The problems with finding and keeping officials. There has been a growing misconception of the difference between HS and college athletics that has introduced all kinds of problems. 

22 hours ago, BrosefStalin said:

The things I've seen with the "fence line" during high school and youth games have been beyond appalling ... especially at youth games. Not sure if it still goes on, but some of the behavior of parents at Mills Road during youth football games was bad enough that security needed to be hired at times. 

 

 

The thing that I don’t get is when did it become necessary to drink alcohol to be able to attend your child’s games?