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Is it me or has it seemed like there has been a larger number of coaching openings the last two years? Many of them are at well regarded programs. Are people "aging" out for retirement, or have just had enough? I guess some move to administration or "want more time with family". Just an old guy wondering lol. What's the consensus?

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Covid made a bunch of guys hit the wall. It has been exhausting. Coaches like to plan and prepare. Covid drops a bomb on all those plans.    Just this season.... 1- missed an entire wee

Sadly more often than not it has nothing to do with the kids. It’s administration and parents that make coaching much harder than it should be. 

We shuffled our Mercer staff for the 2021 season…. Switching positions for some of our assistants. The kids & coaches responded very well.  We did that some at Mason as well. Every now and then, t

37 minutes ago, Footballfan5 said:

26 coaches have resigned as of today.  Over 10% of KY's football coaches have resigned.  This is not a good trend for the high school football in KY.

Also mirrors the trend we are seeing nationally for teachers.  Just not good.

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Covid made a bunch of guys hit the wall. It has been exhausting. Coaches like to plan and prepare. Covid drops a bomb on all those plans. 

 

Just this season....

1- missed an entire week of practice. Had to play first game with only 3 days of practice.

2- had a team cancel on us on a Thursday. Found a game Thursday night. Played on less than 24 hours preparation. 

2020 .... rules & guidelines through the roof. If you don't follow them up, or something bad happens, you're probably fired or sued.  You're trying to run a football program and your community in turmoil.... should there be sports, do we wear masks.... etc. 

 

And, very few programs have inschool weights done the right way, the resources to run a quality feeder program(K-8), and pay their assistants well  for what has become a 12 months a year job. With the enrollment changes, families that love football will go to the places that have these things in place. The gap between the haves and the have nots is widening.

This whole dynamic.... lack of resources for football .... I look at it very differently.

Friday Night HS Football is the LAST school/community event that everyone in town knows when it will happen. Everything else, other sports, especially basketball.... scheduling is all over the place.  

 

The idea is NOT to become a football school. The approach SHOULD be that we will highlight our school system every Friday night at the football game. Pick out the five best programs in that school. Each home game, highlight that program (performing arts, foreign language department, National Merit Scholars.... whatever your district does best).  To make that even better, put a great product on the football field and WIN.  Whether we want to admit it or not, our communities first impression of a school district is the football team they see on Friday nights... right or wrong. 

 

To the guys still battling, at the toughest places to coach, much respect from this old coach.

 

Merry Christmas!

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, WestDanville said:

Sadly more often than not it has nothing to do with the kids. It’s administration and parents that make coaching much harder than it should be. 

True.  Most coaches and administrators are usually two different personality types.   On one hand, administrators want a coach to come in, take the job, be a disciplinarian, transform boys into men, be father figures, be counselors, win football games, etc. and on the other hand, fail to support the coach while he does those things.  

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2 hours ago, 9068 said:

Is it me or has it seemed like there has been a larger number of coaching openings the last two years? Many of them are at well regarded programs. Are people "aging" out for retirement, or have just had enough? I guess some move to administration or "want more time with family". Just an old guy wondering lol. What's the consensus?


BGP has been been tracking all the open jobs in the state for a good while now, so looking at the last 7 years worth of offseasons, there's been an average of 42 jobs that have turned over each year. We're currently at 27 jobs for this offseason.

2014/2015 offseason: 54 jobs turned over.
2015/2016 offseason: 43 jobs turned over.
2016/2017 offseason: 40 jobs turned over.
2017/2018 offseason: 35 jobs turned over.
2018/2019 offseason: 41 jobs turned over.
2019/2020 offseason: 37 jobs turned over.
2020/2021 offseason: 43 jobs turned over.

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1 hour ago, Footballfan5 said:

 On one hand, administrators want a coach to come in, take the job, be a disciplinarian, transform boys into men, be father figures, be counselors, win football games, etc. and on the other hand, fail to support the coach while he does those things.  

They want coaches to act as administrators/counselors themselves and to their team and yet not take administrator's pay. 

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4 hours ago, ChiefSmoke said:

Covid made a bunch of guys hit the wall. It has been exhausting. Coaches like to plan and prepare. Covid drops a bomb on all those plans. 

 

Just this season....

1- missed an entire week of practice. Had to play first game with only 3 days of practice.

2- had a team cancel on us on a Thursday. Found a game Thursday night. Played on less than 24 hours preparation. 

2020 .... rules & guidelines through the roof. If you don't follow them up, or something bad happens, you're probably fired or sued.  You're trying to run a football program and your community in turmoil.... should there be sports, do we wear masks.... etc. 

 

And, very few programs have inschool weights done the right way, the resources to run a quality feeder program(K-8), and pay their assistants well  for what has become a 12 months a year job. With the enrollment changes, families that love football will go to the places that have these things in place. The gap between the haves and the have nots is widening.

This whole dynamic.... lack of resources for football .... I look at it very differently.

Friday Night HS Football is the LAST school/community event that everyone in town knows when it will happen. Everything else, other sports, especially basketball.... scheduling is all over the place.  

 

The idea is NOT to become a football school. The approach SHOULD be that we will highlight our school system every Friday night at the football game. Pick out the five best programs in that school. Each home game, highlight that program (performing arts, foreign language department, National Merit Scholars.... whatever your district does best).  To make that even better, put a great product on the football field and WIN.  Whether we want to admit it or not, our communities first impression of a school district is the football team they see on Friday nights... right or wrong. 

 

To the guys still battling, at the toughest places to coach, much respect from this old coach.

 

Merry Christmas!

 

 

 

You said a mouthful and then some Chief. 

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6 hours ago, ChiefSmoke said:

Covid made a bunch of guys hit the wall. It has been exhausting. Coaches like to plan and prepare. Covid drops a bomb on all those plans. 

 

Just this season....

1- missed an entire week of practice. Had to play first game with only 3 days of practice.

2- had a team cancel on us on a Thursday. Found a game Thursday night. Played on less than 24 hours preparation. 

2020 .... rules & guidelines through the roof. If you don't follow them up, or something bad happens, you're probably fired or sued.  You're trying to run a football program and your community in turmoil.... should there be sports, do we wear masks.... etc. 

 

And, very few programs have inschool weights done the right way, the resources to run a quality feeder program(K-8), and pay their assistants well  for what has become a 12 months a year job. With the enrollment changes, families that love football will go to the places that have these things in place. The gap between the haves and the have nots is widening.

This whole dynamic.... lack of resources for football .... I look at it very differently.

Friday Night HS Football is the LAST school/community event that everyone in town knows when it will happen. Everything else, other sports, especially basketball.... scheduling is all over the place.  

 

The idea is NOT to become a football school. The approach SHOULD be that we will highlight our school system every Friday night at the football game. Pick out the five best programs in that school. Each home game, highlight that program (performing arts, foreign language department, National Merit Scholars.... whatever your district does best).  To make that even better, put a great product on the football field and WIN.  Whether we want to admit it or not, our communities first impression of a school district is the football team they see on Friday nights... right or wrong. 

 

To the guys still battling, at the toughest places to coach, much respect from this old coach.

 

Merry Christmas!

 

 

 

Great post and insight ....as usual. Thanks Coach.

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8 hours ago, Colonels_Wear_Blue said:


BGP has been been tracking all the open jobs in the state for a good while now, so looking at the last 7 years worth of offseasons, there's been an average of 42 jobs that have turned over each year. We're currently at 27 jobs for this offseason.

2014/2015 offseason: 54 jobs turned over.
2015/2016 offseason: 43 jobs turned over.
2016/2017 offseason: 40 jobs turned over.
2017/2018 offseason: 35 jobs turned over.
2018/2019 offseason: 41 jobs turned over.
2019/2020 offseason: 37 jobs turned over.
2020/2021 offseason: 43 jobs turned over.

So 70 in two years, 107 in three. Better than 50 percent in three years so far. Times have changed. The Bob Schneiders, Walter Brughs, Ivan McGlones, etc. are a thing of the past.

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3 minutes ago, 9068 said:

So 70 in two years, 107 in three. Better than 50 percent in three years so far. Times have changed. The Bob Schneiders, Walter Brughs, Ivan McGlones, etc. are a thing of the past.

Those are/were three very strong programs. The guys in those kind of programs will stay put, even now . There are just very few of those jobs in KY. 

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On 12/17/2021 at 9:53 AM, Colonels_Wear_Blue said:


BGP has been been tracking all the open jobs in the state for a good while now, so looking at the last 7 years worth of offseasons, there's been an average of 42 jobs that have turned over each year. We're currently at 27 jobs for this offseason.

2014/2015 offseason: 54 jobs turned over.
2015/2016 offseason: 43 jobs turned over.
2016/2017 offseason: 40 jobs turned over.
2017/2018 offseason: 35 jobs turned over.
2018/2019 offseason: 41 jobs turned over.
2019/2020 offseason: 37 jobs turned over.
2020/2021 offseason: 43 jobs turned over.

It would be interesting to know what percentage have hired multiple times in that period. 

Also interesting to see how many of the former HCs took admin jobs (more money, better hours) 

This will come as no shock but I suspect money, time commitment, etc plays a large role in these decisions. 

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4 hours ago, Socially Distanced said:

It would be interesting to know what percentage have hired multiple times in that period. 

Also interesting to see how many of the former HCs took admin jobs (more money, better hours) 

This will come as no shock but I suspect money, time commitment, etc plays a large role in these decisions. 

All of those things + winning and what you're ceiling is at a particular program also has a lot to do with it.  In regards to coaches that have traded out for admin jobs- @ChiefSmoke can add to this, also, but I know of several former head coaches who have gotten into admin and it's not that the hours are actually better....however, you're at least getting COMPENSATED much better for your time than coaching. 

Admin base stipends, across all levels/ranks (elementary-high school) are almost always as good as HFC stipends (in the very least) & the majority of the time SIGNIFICANTLY better.  Then, throw in the massive amount of extended days? The switch becomes a financial no brainer.

You can be up there in June or July for hours during the week as a coach (some places have extended days, but if they do, it's few and your base coaching stipend isn't as high) working for "free" essentially or be up there as an admin, actually getting paid for it.

Coach brought up another good point as well about certain household, blue blood programs.....those jobs rarely come open. "Everything" (as relative as a term as it can be to the coaching world) is there....from the pay, community/administrative support, "football town" mentality and then...let's call it what it is, too...the chance to WIN.  Coaching is about relationships (and, so many other hats that coaches have always worn..moreso now than ever today), yes...but, it's also about WINNING. 

THAT is one of the few reasons as to why you just don't see certain jobs come open often.   On the flip side of that, there is a reason you see countless others have turnover like they do......take the LACK of the aforementioned keys to having success, add that to a low talent base year in year out where "said coach(es)" can probably tell you the outcome (+/- a game here or there & not in a good way) of their season(s) more years than not on the first day of January workouts for the upcoming year? And you get turnover....

1- Pay for the time is garbage.

2- Lack of administrative support from where it matters from everything to budget, facility upgrades, teaching position(s)/in school strength/conditioning.

3- Staring down the barrel at the talent you have to face every year in districts that have other aspects above also going for them?

Leads to...

4- See ya, bye. 

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2 hours ago, Harry Doyle said:

All of those things + winning and what you're ceiling is at a particular program also has a lot to do with it.  In regards to coaches that have traded out for admin jobs- @ChiefSmoke can add to this, also, but I know of several former head coaches who have gotten into admin and it's not that the hours are actually better....however, you're at least getting COMPENSATED much better for your time than coaching. 

Admin base stipends, across all levels/ranks (elementary-high school) are almost always as good as HFC stipends (in the very least) & the majority of the time SIGNIFICANTLY better.  Then, throw in the massive amount of extended days? The switch becomes a financial no brainer.

You can be up there in June or July for hours during the week as a coach (some places have extended days, but if they do, it's few and your base coaching stipend isn't as high) working for "free" essentially or be up there as an admin, actually getting paid for it.

Coach brought up another good point as well about certain household, blue blood programs.....those jobs rarely come open. "Everything" (as relative as a term as it can be to the coaching world) is there....from the pay, community/administrative support, "football town" mentality and then...let's call it what it is, too...the chance to WIN.  Coaching is about relationships (and, so many other hats that coaches have always worn..moreso now than ever today), yes...but, it's also about WINNING. 

THAT is one of the few reasons as to why you just don't see certain jobs come open often.   On the flip side of that, there is a reason you see countless others have turnover like they do......take the LACK of the aforementioned keys to having success, add that to a low talent base year in year out where "said coach(es)" can probably tell you the outcome (+/- a game here or there & not in a good way) of their season(s) more years than not on the first day of January workouts for the upcoming year? And you get turnover....

1- Pay for the time is garbage.

2- Lack of administrative support from where it matters from everything to budget, facility upgrades, teaching position(s)/in school strength/conditioning.

3- Staring down the barrel at the talent you have to face every year in districts that have other aspects above also going for them?

Leads to...

4- See ya, bye. 

I think you are spot on... 

I have been around high school athletics my entire life. You don't see career coaches anymore. 

Most come into the profession and transition into admin a few years later. Money, time, starting a family, whatever the case may be. 

The ones that do stay are looking to find the best opportunity which leads them to systems that have talent and resources. 

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