March 1, 20197 yr If you’re talking about Pujols, this is a little different. Pujols was in his 30’s when he signed the long deal. Harper is 26, and the Phillies get (hopefully) much of Harper’s prime in the deal. The Angels didn’t get any of Pujols’ prime. Obviously there’s risk in the deal, and it could flop badly. That’s a valid point, the Angels bought too late.
March 1, 20197 yr It’s not really the money that’s the issue to me. The money is what it is. He was going to get paid. But 13 years is a LONG time. 13 years is forever, he’s gonna have a Joey Votto run once or twice in there, a 25+ mill guy on a losing team.
March 1, 20197 yr No player is worth 13 years. Bobby Bo will still be getting paid when the Harper deal ends.
March 1, 20197 yr 13 years is forever, he’s gonna have a Joey Votto run once or twice in there, a 25+ mill guy on a losing team. They’re getting Trout soon anyways. Trout will make them into something if the organization doesn’t screw that up like the Angels have.
March 1, 20197 yr No player is worth 13 years. Bobby Bo will still be getting paid when the Harper deal ends. Again, Harper is 26. He should be entering his prime. If they get 5-6 years of his best baseball, and 2-3 years of solid ball as the decline starts, I think they’ll put up with the few years at the end where he’s just average or worse. Those extra few years really bring down the yearly average of the deal that allows the Phillies to be able to continue to make moves throughout the length of the deal. I don’t think anyone involved is expecting 13 superstar years out of Harper. This is all about locking a potential MVP up throughout his entire prime, while still maintaining spending flexibility. Harper is barely the highest paid guy on the team...Jake Arrieta is right behind in annual salary, and that comes off the books in another year, which puts them in a position to make a run at Trout. This is it for Harper. This deal really isn’t as bad as it sounds, because there’s a good chance, the way salaries are escalating, that despite Harper likely being overpaid on the back half, some of those middle years, the Phillies will have him at a discount.
March 1, 20197 yr Author Looks like the Dodgers offered a 4 year 180 million. 45 million a year and become a free agent again at 30. He probably could have exceeded the 330 million.
March 1, 20197 yr A lot of money for a career .279 hitter with an OPS of exactly 9. Ken Griffey Jr. ended up in Cooperstown with a career batting average of .284 and an OPS of .907. And Harper has the better OBP .388-.370.... and that OPS is 7th amongst active players.
March 1, 20197 yr Looks like the Dodgers offered a 4 year 180 million. 45 million a year and become a free agent again at 30. He probably could have exceeded the 330 million. That would have been interesting. Cardinals tried a similar approach to Pujols.
March 1, 20197 yr Jr. never made 30 million a year. No. But he made $12.5 million when the team's total payroll was $54 million. Griffey was making 23% of the Reds payroll that year. Harper is making 8% of the Phillies this year....
March 1, 20197 yr No. But he made $12.5 million when the team's total payroll was $54 million. Griffey was making 23% of the Reds payroll that year. Harper is making 8% of the Phillies this year.... I get what you're saying, but I'm not 100% certain you're making the proper point. You're comparing Griffey's career numbers with those of Bryce so far. You mentioned Cincy, so you're already talking about after he began his decline. Cincinnati gave him a big contract and he fell apart, and the back half numbers are what pulled him down to where Bryce could even be a blip in this conversation. When he left Seattle, he had a BA of .299 and an OPS of .948. Harper will never breathe that air. Harper is a good pick up and as I said, I'm not happy about it because I think he improves the Phillies. But they will need a lot more of 2015 and 2017 from Bryce to make this deal worth it. If he's the guy from the other years, then this is a devastating signing.
March 4, 20197 yr Glad we didn’t spend that on him. I’ve seen some bad contracts and how it handcuffed some teams. I think the Phil’s will regret this deal 4-5 years from now.
March 4, 20197 yr Glad we didn’t spend that on him. I’ve seen some bad contracts and how it handcuffed some teams. I think the Phil’s will regret this deal 4-5 years from now. As a Phillies fan, I hope not. On the surface though, the average yearly value of this deal, still allows the Phillies a lot of flexibility to make moves if necessary. If they get a really good Bryce Harper for the first 4 or 5 years of this deal, there will be very few complaints. I think the only way this contract becomes a regret is if Harper turns out to be an average player who misses a bunch of games.
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