They are both special players, and I hope that is not the last time they are on the same floor. Dontaie does have exceptional physical gifts, but he does truly work his tail off to maximize them.

 

Jake and Dontaie are both good kids who work hard and play within the team game plan. I find it unfortunate that some would criticize them because they are, on most possessions, their team's best option to score. I have yet to see either one of them take a shot when they had a teammate in a better position to score.

 

Congratulations to both of them. I hope they both continue to play the same way.

 

They seem to be the type young men that in the smaller schools they attend are able to have a green light to shoot (agree both team's best option) but not have the other kids on their respective teams resent it. Many kids would be hounded to leave that type of situation to enter a situation they are around better players equal of their ability. Hats off to them to stay home. Kids play enough travel ball in Spring & Summer to adjust being on a team where they are not the only option to score and shoot 30 plus times.

I am so confused are you suggesting that Scott is a small school?

 

Players have any talent should the Pendleton and Scott? Or are you suggesting that they only produce large numbers because of the caliber of school that theyare at?

 

If so, I assure you they would start for any team in the state and would be the main guy for 97% of the teams in the state. I take your comments that they are only scoring due to the situation they are in and I find it totally false

I am so confused are you suggesting that Scott is a small school?

 

Players have any talent should the Pendleton and Scott? Or are you suggesting that they only produce large numbers because of the caliber of school that theyare at?

 

If so, I assure you they would start for any team in the state and would be the main guy for 97% of the teams in the state. I take your comments that they are only scoring due to the situation they are in and I find it totally false

 

Agree that "smaller" is not accurate as they both are mid-size schools. No offense to either school but there has not been an abundance of players in recent years that are equally as talented as these two and that is meant as a compliment to them both. On their team they are the best players by a wide margin. I am saying that in larger schools with basketball tradition which have greater pool of talented players you would rarely see a single player shoot it 30+ shots. "Q" Snider from Ballard & D. Hawkins from Madison Central play at U of L & UK but neither shot the ball 30 times a game in HS.

 

When those two young men reach college they will not be shooting it 30 times a game unless they plan on playing at some small college in D3. There is a learning curve for players who come from a school where they shoot 30 times and then have to adjust to playing a more team oriented offense. There have been a few really good players in recent years that have transferred or went the prep school route to gain the advantage of playing on a team where they play alongside equally talented players. I like that these two stayed home and I like the fact their teammates understand they need to dominate the offense in order to succeed.

Jake Ohmer may very well be the best Guard in the States!!

Jake Ohmer may very well be the best Guard in the States!!

 

Not

They both may start for most teams in the state...they wouldn't be the main guy for 97% of the teams in the state

Scott is a 5A school. Not small. Not mid-size. By KY standards they are "big."

Scott is a 5A school. Not small. Not mid-size. By KY standards they are "big."

 

Scott is actually 4A... Believe they have an enrollment that hovers between 900-950 each year.

Scott is actually 4A... Believe they have an enrollment that hovers between 900-950 each year.

 

My fault. 900 is still "big" by KY standards.

Dontaie Allen would start for every school in KY.

 

Jake Ohmer would start for every school in KY.

 

Both are special talents and great kids. I can't speak for Ohmer much, but Allen works hard constantly to improve (I'm sure Jake does too). Kid puts up 51, and is the 1st person at school the next day so he can work on his game after school.

That gets old if you are a team mate. Chemistry will be interesting for both teams. I was wondering if Fro was going give Ohmer the Green light like Brad did. I guess that question was answered. Can't wait to see both play.

 

Not really, not if the kid(s) are good teammates because they understand and know what's best for the team in a given circumstance and should have no problem feeding the "hot hand". Feeding the hot hand willingly is just as much an example of "team ball" as would be everyone getting the same amount of looks and shots and possibly points. Now, once that hand goes cold, or he becomes the focus of the whole defense...now it's his turn to feed his teammates. But until that time comes, give it to him, whoever that "him" may be.

 

I understand completely, but if someone happens to be in a "zone"........

 

Exactly.

Not really, not if the kid(s) are good teammates because they understand and know what's best for the team in a given circumstance and should have no problem feeding the "hot hand". Feeding the hot hand willingly is just as much an example of "team ball" as would be everyone getting the same amount of looks and shots and possibly points. Now, once that hand goes cold, or he becomes the focus of the whole defense...now it's his turn to feed his teammates. But until that time comes, give it to him, whoever that "him" may be.

 

 

 

Exactly.

 

Hot hand and game plan are two different things. Easy to feed the hot hand. A little harder to swallow when it's the game plan. Some kids still man up and do it. Hats off to them for buying into the team concept.

There is so much hyperbole in this thread it has crossed over into absurdity.

 

Why must we try and attach such crazy superlatives and over-statements to everything? Allen is a GREAT player. Ohmer is a VERY GOOD player. They both had outstanding games. Scott won.

 

Can that not be enough?

There is so much hyperbole in this thread it has crossed over into absurdity.

 

Why must we try and attach such crazy superlatives and over-statements to everything? Allen is a GREAT player. Ohmer is a VERY GOOD player. They both had outstanding games. Scott won.

 

Can that not be enough?

 

Sadly I think this thread has focused on Allen and Ohmer as teammates and - wrongly and speculatively IMO - the detrimental impact to their relationship with teammates/overall team dynamics of shooting/scoring so much.

 

What I KNOW:

 

- Both very talented

- Both work as hard/harder than their teammates to improve

- Both lead on/off the court

- Both are a treat to watch play and compete

 

I will leave the strategies and teach chemistry management to their very qualified/competent coaches.

My fault. 900 is still "big" by KY standards.

 

I guess from my perspective in the 6th,7th & 11th regions (Louisville & Lexington areas) there are about 25 schools alone that are larger than Scott playing in 5 or 6A. They are a large school in NKY perhaps, but a similar size school in Louisville is Western HS and they would not be considered a large school compared to other high schools in the area.

 

My point remains hats off to them staying at home and if they are the team's best option with their teammates supporting the offense primarily running through them it is a win win. That would not likely happen in many of the larger schools where equally talented players might get half as many shots on a given night.