So, if I may stretch this out a little further...

 

Can any of you understand why the "likability" of Clinton be less of an issue for some (women, immigrants, blacks, hispanics) than the words of Donald Trump for the last year plus?

 

People wanted an outsider and the Clintons are as inside as you get. That plus many, myself included, feel like we were marginalized by the Obama adminsitration and she was Obama's 3rd term.

No.

 

Care to expound?

I'm not sure if this plays into the likability factor or not, but I think a lot of people were/are just flat out tired of the Clintons.

 

Fair enough. I don't think it's directly related, but I can see it being a factor, to be sure

Care to expound?

 

No to your question regarding being able to understand it.

 

No less unlikable as a person.

Could Bernie have won?

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Could Bernie have won?

 

Probably. He was the same candidate as Trump except honest and decent. His sincerity would really highlighted Trump's slime whereas people say Hillary is just as bad.

Bernie won the Rust Belt. Hillary didn't put the emphasis needed there.

So, if I may stretch this out a little further...

 

Can any of you understand why the "likability" of Clinton be less of an issue for some (women, immigrants, blacks, hispanics) than the words of Donald Trump for the last year plus?

 

No, not at all. Once you get past the "she's a woman" part, she had nothing.

Two of the most--maybe the most?--unlikable candidates in General Election history. I've long felt that Hillary would never win the Presidency solely because of this, but then the GOP nominated Trump.

 

While both are deeply disliked, I think he would win a "who would you rather sit and have a drink with" contest.

 

With the people I usually drink with, I can exchange good-natured barbs and insults out of fun. Don't really think I could do that for very long with Trump without being sued.

Could Bernie have won?

No way. I think in many ways this was a referendum on the liberal policies of the past 8 years. The word socialist alone would have disqualified him with more Americans than the word racist did with Trump. The thought of socialism absolutely scares me as it's the antithesis of fundamental American ideology. Bernie would never be able to get past the fact that he was that crazy socialist old guy who never combs his hair and talks with his hands all the time. I feel like that's an oversimplification of Bernie, but this whole election has been about the oversimplification of America by Trump towards the American people.

Two of the most--maybe the most?--unlikable candidates in General Election history. I've long felt that Hillary would never win the Presidency solely because of this, but then the GOP nominated Trump.

 

While both are deeply disliked, I think he would win a "who would you rather sit and have a drink with" contest.

Well Trump doesn't drink so that would be a very boring conversation.

Mrs. Clinton was one of the least electible candidates in the history of American politics, except she ended up running against an equally bad candidate. Any other republican candidate would have likely won easily but Trump got the nomination and Clinton had to be thrilled and confident. Being from a political machine, groomed for the job for many years, it should have been a slam dunk for Hillary after Trump became the opponent.

 

I think the only person either Trump or Clinton could defeat was each other.

 

So what happened? Was it the emails? Policy? The little guy voting against the establishment? A combination of things?

The main issue with Hillary Clinton's candidacy was her criminal behavior. This was a candidate who served in an administration who promised to run the most transparent administration ever, whose first action included setting up a home-brew email server to avoid compliance with the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). When she used that server to route classified information, she violated the Espionage Act. Hillary continued to pile up crimes when she had her maid, who had no security clearance, print emails containing classified information for her convenience.

 

When Hillary's illegal use of an unsecure server to evade FOIA requests and violate the Espionage Act was discovered, a subpoena was issued for the records on the server. Hillary's reaction to the subpoena was to destroy at least 33,000 email messages that were subject to that subpoena.

 

I could go on to list the tens of millions of dollars collected from foreign and domestic individuals and corporations, including the King of Moracco for short speeches, both while she was Secretary of State and after she left the administration but intended to run for the presidency of the United States. Throughout most of American history, quid pro quo negotiations such as the one that led to the appearance of Hillary's husband Bill and daughter Chelsea at an event hosted by the King of Moracco were quaintly considered to be bribery, which this nation's founders clearly considered to be among the high crimes and misdemeanors that qualify as impeachable offenses under the U.S. Constitution.

 

What is truly amazing is how close a criminal like Hillary Clinton came to being elected President of the United States and why so many people are still struggling to figure out where her campaign left the rails.

Not to be Trump cliche like, but the "Establishment" is what happened. The DNC sealed it's own fate when they decided eight years ago that it would be Clinton's turn to be President in 2016. I took that more than anything through her nominating process; it was her turn.

THIS. The DNC and the MEDIA crammed this down our throats for the last 8 years. To the point that like it or not, come hell or high water, Hillary Clinton would be our president and we had no choice and were powerless about it.

Well Trump doesn't drink so that would be a very boring conversation.

 

Neither do I. But I didn't say an alcoholic drink.

 

My point is that Trump has the most personality of the two. That's not saying much, but it's true nonetheless.

Neither do I. But I didn't say an alcoholic drink.

 

My point is that Trump has the most personality of the two. That's not saying much, but it's true nonetheless.

Sorry I just usually associate people saying "having a drink" with an alcoholic drink.