I agree. There are, and have been, so many female heads of state across the world that Clinton's gender had little to do with her loss. In my circle of acquaintances, I can't recall anyone saying they would or would not vote for her based on her being a woman. I think our country has moved on past that thinking.

Question for those who think HRC was unlikable. Is President Elect Trump likable? If so, what is likable about him?

 

Two of the most--maybe the most?--unlikable candidates in General Election history. I've long felt that Hillary would never win the Presidency solely because of this, but then the GOP nominated Trump.

 

While both are deeply disliked, I think he would win a "who would you rather sit and have a drink with" contest.

This is to answer RockMom's question about if Hillary lost because she wasn't likeable, what makes Trump likable?

 

I think there are several things.

First he isn't all that likable but more so than Hillary and here is why.

He is an outsider. By that I mean he isn't a career politician who proves more and more to be as corrupt as can be. Trump didn't need big banks etc. to line his pockets, he made his own millions.

 

He may say things to the extreme but his basic ideas are what the majority of people believe in such as...

He isn't against immigration, he is against illegal immigration. Big difference. He doesn't want criminals coming here to continue their illegal operations etc. A lot of people want the same thing.

 

He wants businesses and industry to stop leaving the country. The majority of the people want the same.

 

He wants vetting to take place on Syrian Refugees which a lot of people also want.

 

I could go on, but you get the idea.

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Should we assume their disdain was conditional ?

 

I think that that cuts across both parties. Had Clinton been behind in the polls, her supporters would have been stressing the general election should have a higher significance than the Electoral.

Question for those who think HRC was unlikable. Is President Elect Trump likable? If so, what is likable about him?

 

He showed America his warts. He's opinionated, he's raw. He's not a politician, he's a salesman. Everything about Clinton was soooo calculated that it came across as an insult to Americans. We know how corrupt you are. We know quite a bit about you due to how public your life is. Do not get up here and try to whitewash that image with a practiced speech. Either be contrite, or not, but don't be fake. Say, this is what I did, I am sorry. Or, this is what I did, and I am not sorry. Spin, spin, spin, and you make the electorate sick.

Question for those who think HRC was unlikable. Is President Elect Trump likable? If so, what is likable about him?

 

Better yet, and I CAN NOT believe that I am even typing this, it isn't likeability. Rather, it is RELATABILITY, and nobody can relate to Clinton b/c of how calculated, corrupt, and robotic she is.

I think that that cuts across both parties. Had Clinton been behind in the polls, her supporters would have been stressing the general election should have a higher significance than the Electoral.

 

Of course.

Very easy to figure out her downfall.

1. She was as corrupt as could be. She sold this country down the river while she was Sec of State so she could line her own pockets. She made deals with this country's enemies simply to get donations to her foundation. She sold weapons to our enemies and Isis.

 

2. She hadn't accomplished anything while in gov't the last 30 years. Many people still remember what a nightmare she was as first lady. Travelgate, National Healthcare etc. were disasters and her time as Sec of State was a disaster.

 

3. She was proven not trustworthy and her entire campaign the last several months was hypocritical. She would talk about not running a nasty campaign yet ever single one of her ad's she ran on TV were nasty toward Trump. She talked about his treatment of women but would showcase performers like Beyonce and Jay Z who would perform their music filled with sexist and dirty lyrics, everything she was supposedly against.

 

If Hillary wanted anyone to believe the things she said, she needed to back it up. Don't go out ripping Trump for remarks he made 11 years ago while her own supporters were saying much worse things. Don't claim Trump to be racist without any proof to back your claims up.

 

Everything about her campaign was wrong. Everything she said she said according to the audience she had in front of her. Then tapes were presented of her saying just the opposite almmost every single time.

 

The DNC lost the election because they were arrogant enough to think they could run a corrupt campaign and nominate who the leaders of the DNC wanted and not who the people wanted as their nominee. When it was proven the DNC was going to do whatever they could to make Sanders lose the nomination so they could put Hillary in it backfired on them. They couldn't prevent the country from finiding out about their corruption and it started with the Super Delegate game they tossed out there. When Sanders wins a primary and the DNC changes the votes by declaring SuperDelegates can vote for whoever they wanted no matter who the people voted for, well the fix was in.

 

That is why Hillary lost.

How bad can you be to lose to Obama 8 years ago and then lose to Trump? Lol, she was a horrible candidate.

 

It was also very sad to hear many of her supporters simply voting for her because she was a woman. That is what is wrong with politics today.

 

Now on the bright side, there is something this election brought that is awesome. This election will force both major parties to tear down and start over again and hopefully realize people voted for change and that change is to end the monopoly of career politicians only out for themselves. They voted an outsider in with zero experience for a reason. Because they are tired of those who have run this country into the ground the last decade plus.

 

If the 2 major parties want to survive this they need to take a long hard look in the mirror and change the way they operate.

 

The big winner is not Trump, but America because of the Supreme Court will be set up like it should be hopefully for our lifetime.

 

Somebody taken lessons from @B-Ball-fan on length of post. :lol2:

Hillary had the demographics lined up. Had a President who was very popular in the party.

 

To me it's really simple. Unlikeable.

 

Example: I always feel bad for the loser of a POTUS election. Empathetic to what they went through, what their family went through, etc.

 

That feeling never entered my world as a possibility when HRC lost.

 

I think that sums it up.

Interesting that the President is being blamed. He would have easily won yesterday. We would have been in bed by 11:00.

Interesting that the President is being blamed. He would have easily won yesterday. We would have been in bed by 11:00.

 

In a digital, computerized age why did it take 7 hours from the close of polling for PA to have all of its votes counted?

In a digital, computerized age why did it take 7 hours from the close of polling for PA to have all of its votes counted?

 

No idea. How many paper ballots were there?

So, if I may stretch this out a little further...

 

Can any of you understand why the "likability" of Clinton be less of an issue for some (women, immigrants, blacks, hispanics) than the words of Donald Trump for the last year plus?

So, if I may stretch this out a little further...

 

Can any of you understand why the "likability" of Clinton be less of an issue for some (women, immigrants, blacks, hispanics) than the words of Donald Trump for the last year plus?

 

I'm not sure if this plays into the likability factor or not, but I think a lot of people were/are just flat out tired of the Clintons.

So, if I may stretch this out a little further...

 

Can any of you understand why the "likability" of Clinton be less of an issue for some (women, immigrants, blacks, hispanics) than the words of Donald Trump for the last year plus?

 

No.