I am told that Rose Hill will vote to seed the district this coming Febuary just so the tcats will have to play.

I would think that Fairview would vote to draw with Boyd and the Hill voting to seed. That leaves the tcats. Would they vote to draw just to stay away from playing the Hill during the regular season. Then hope to draw away from them in March.

 

Round and round we go.............

I would hope that Rose Hill continues to vote against seeding. I believe Ashland would vote to seed and Boyd County, since it seems to always follow Ashland at these meetings, would go along. Fairview would wisely vote against it. It takes three votes to seed.

 

Rose Hill has nothing to gain over the long run by seeding. It would insure games with Ashland (or forfeits) which is fine over the next six years or so. However, Rose Hill, like Fairview, is a small school. Its success comes in cycles. Most years, the fact is it will be down. For the overall picture, it will not be a wise decision. And, after all, even in the good years, it will get its game with Ashland somewhere along the line when it really counts.

 

GIAT's merry-go-round is quite appropriate. The saga seems to just continue in circles of distrust, innuendo, spin, and suspicion and this merry-go-round travels in both directions equally at the same time. It will continue.

I am told that Rose Hill will vote to seed the district this coming Febuary just so the tcats will have to play.

I would think that Fairview would vote to draw with Boyd and the Hill voting to seed. That leaves the tcats. Would they vote to draw just to stay away from playing the Hill during the regular season. Then hope to draw away from them in March.

 

I'm with Scooterbob on this one.

 

The day will never come when Ashland votes to draw. In any given year, it might be to Ashland's advantage to draw, but over time, Ashland will definitely fare better in a seeded district. This also applies to Boyd County.

 

Conversely, Rose Hill and Fairview will (over time) benefit from drawing. That is why the schools have historically voted the way that they have. It is pretty straightforward, and easy to understand.

 

I hope that Rose Hill does vote to seed. It will definitely be to their benefit for the near future, but as Scooterbob said, it will come back to haunt them over coming decades.

 

It's been said many times - I don't really care whether district tournaments seed or draw, I just wish the state would dictate that everyone be the same.

 

 

Frances

I think we need to call a doc. BR549 is not acting like himself. Do believe those posts? SBob if Rose Hill will be competitive after Euton, why would they vote not to seed. In one post you state that while Euton may be a special player those that follow will be good as well. In another you claim that the success will cycle. Euton may be there 4 more years and those that follow another 4 or 5 I guess. Why wouldn't you want to seed for at least the next 8 or 9 years?

YAK, I am of the opinion that, when you are up, you will usually succeed with or without a draw but, if you are down (and Rose Hill will be down many years as are most small schools in a district with two big schools) you need the possible luck of the draw.

 

If there is to be a statewide seed, it should extend to the regional tournament and the state tournament. If it is good at the lowest level, surely it should extend to the highest level. Otherwise, leave everything to the luck of the draw because it allows for Cinderella teams to occasionally succeed. In reality, much of the magic of the Sweet Sixteen is the uncertainty of matchups. I say either seed it all or leave it alone.

YAK, I am of the opinion that, when you are up, you will usually succeed with or without a draw but, if you are down (and Rose Hill will be down many years as are most small schools in a district with two big schools) you need the possible luck of the draw.

 

If there is to be a statewide seed, it should extend to the regional tournament and the state tournament. If it is good at the lowest level, surely it should extend to the highest level. Otherwise, leave everything to the luck of the draw because it allows for Cinderella teams to occasionally succeed. In reality, much of the magic of the Sweet Sixteen is the uncertainty of matchups. I say either seed it all or leave it alone.

I understand. I like the Cinderella stories. I would vote to never seed. Just my own opinion. Not my call however. If the little yaks play later they will play the hand their dealt seeded or not. A wise man once said "Winning isn't everything, but wanting to is"

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MayoWalker was good, but it wasn't NCH

I never wrote much about Ovinton J'Anthony Mayo and Bill Walker, aka MayoWalker. I always felt the publicity was misplaced. It wasn't their fault they worked in a world dominated by opportunists, carnival barkers and sneaker salesmen. They were just a couple of high school kids, spinning like Auntie Em's house in the middle of the tornado. MayoWalker did the best it could, mostly, in a difficult situation not of its making.

 

I wasn't going to promote the tornado. Or them. It's wrong, OK?

 

When we glorify eighth-graders who aren't designing rockets or curing diseases, it's wrong.

 

 

When a high school kid is signing autographs for his classmates, it's wrong.

 

When a high school's basketball program - and by extension its athletic department - can be co-opted by the guardian of a star player, it's wrong. When close to $200,000 is raised by the team's appearances in games and not one dime of it is earmarked for textbooks, computers or funding college scholarships, it's wrong.

 

We go to the games to cheer for the kids because we know them. We know their families. They're part of us. We have a connection to the town in which they've grown up and played. Cheering for the hometown team has a meaning beyond winning and losing. We're cheering for a part of ourselves that makes us proud.

 

That's the soul of high school sports.

 

When we lose that, we've lost everything.

Who first said that we often go from the sublime to the ridiculous. If Daugherty really believes the stuff in that column, he is worse than naive. However, it is a unique experience to read a fictional account that paints NCH and Nickel as victims. I have certainly not seen that approach used before. I was hopeful that, in his tribute, he would enlighten us as to who forced NCH and Nickel to move Billy back a grade, give Dwaine control of the basketball program and a key to the gymnasium, and convince Nickel to reconsider his retirement in order to stay around for the gravy train.

 

Great fiction and even better fertilizer.

Who first said that we often go from the sublime to the ridiculous. If Daugherty really believes the stuff in that column, he is worse than naive. However, it is a unique experience to read a fictional account that paints NCH and Nickel as victims. I have certainly not seen that approach used before. I was hopeful that, in his tribute, he would enlighten us as to who forced NCH and Nickel to move Billy back a grade, give Dwaine control of the basketball program and a key to the gymnasium, and convince Nickel to reconsider his retirement in order to stay around for the gravy train.

 

Great fiction and even better fertilizer.

C'mon scooterbob, what do you really think?!:lol:

Excellent post lbc.

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MayoWalker was good, but it wasn't NCH

I never wrote much about Ovinton J'Anthony Mayo and Bill Walker, aka MayoWalker. I always felt the publicity was misplaced. It wasn't their fault they worked in a world dominated by opportunists, carnival barkers and sneaker salesmen. They were just a couple of high school kids, spinning like Auntie Em's house in the middle of the tornado. MayoWalker did the best it could, mostly, in a difficult situation not of its making.

 

I wasn't going to promote the tornado. Or them. It's wrong, OK?

 

When we glorify eighth-graders who aren't designing rockets or curing diseases, it's wrong.

 

 

When a high school kid is signing autographs for his classmates, it's wrong.

 

When a high school's basketball program - and by extension its athletic department - can be co-opted by the guardian of a star player, it's wrong. When close to $200,000 is raised by the team's appearances in games and not one dime of it is earmarked for textbooks, computers or funding college scholarships, it's wrong.

 

We go to the games to cheer for the kids because we know them. We know their families. They're part of us. We have a connection to the town in which they've grown up and played. Cheering for the hometown team has a meaning beyond winning and losing. We're cheering for a part of ourselves that makes us proud.

 

That's the soul of high school sports.

 

When we lose that, we've lost everything.

 

 

So very, very true.

 

Thanks for posting that for everyone.

"We go to the games to cheer for the kids because we know them. We know their families. They're part of us. We have a connection to the town in which they've grown up and played. Cheering for the hometown team has a meaning beyond winning and losing. We're cheering for a part of ourselves that makes us proud.

 

That's the soul of high school sports.

 

When we lose that, we've lost everything."

 

This is what high school sports is really about, not bringing in kids with no connection to a town, but winning or losing with what you have.

"We go to the games to cheer for the kids because we know them. We know their families. They're part of us. We have a connection to the town in which they've grown up and played. Cheering for the hometown team has a meaning beyond winning and losing. We're cheering for a part of ourselves that makes us proud.

 

That's the soul of high school sports.

 

When we lose that, we've lost everything."

 

This is what high school sports is really about, not bringing in kids with no connection to a town, but winning or losing with what you have.

I'm afraid that this is a nostalgic view of what high school sports were when I was in high school. You can blame media, special interest, whomever, but that has changed from what was to what you get now. I don't see it going back. Parents, kids, "handlers", guardians, will float around until they are happy. It is what it is.

Daugherty, in his fit of nostalgia, makes some very nice, touchy, feely statements. I wish that they were still true. Unfortunately, they went out with the set shot and the center jump after a basket. It just isn't real anymore although I hasten to add that I wish it were so.

 

Daugherty sounds more like a homer who realizes that he no longer has the NCH circus to write about. To be honest, I have never before heard of NCH and Nickel being deemed as victims. On the other hand, I have heard them called prostitutes looking for a front seat on the gravy train being driven by the cash cow.

 

I feel sure that even our good friend, Bandit29, knows better.

I don't doubt that NCH was used to a certain extent, just as Rose Hill was for a couple of seasons. I'm not, by any means, equating Rose Hill's handling of the situation with that of NCH, but the Mayo-Walker entourage and circus has left a few used people and entities in its wake.