So with this philosophy and the new 87% getting in.....is that really successful....or is not making it, simply awful.

I see what you are trying to say RP, I personally think that too many teams make the playoffs. I would agree with the top two teams from a district going.

Well folks, I have a totally different outlook.

 

In my opinion, the only way you can have a successful season is for at least one game that year to have the Guru on your sidelines!

 

 

:dancingpa

Honestly, though I see good points from a lot of people. At Trinity, I bet anything less than a title this year won't satisfy. But hey at Atherton I would assume two wins - maybe even one - would be cause for celebration.

 

So there's different views for every program!

A successful program?

 

CHAMPIONSHIPS....end of story.

 

IMO a successful season for TRINITY is winning the title. That is the goal every year. It you do not meet your goal, you cannot be considered a TOTAL success. Trinity HAS a successful PROGRAM. This has come about by winning championships AND playing with pride, loyalty, sportsmanship etc.

I believe a successful season has to do with the the coaches/team setting resonable goals and reaching them. If it is a successful season only if you win a state championship maybe it is good that Kentucky is going to 6 classes. Then the state can have 6 successful teams instead of just 4.

Depends on your what view you are judging a successful season.

 

Coaches have one view.

Parents have another view.

Fans/alumni have another view.

Media have another view.

Opposing coaches have another view.

Players have another view.

 

Also depends upon your status. I am sure that Beechwood's view of a successful season this year will not be the same as Bracken County's.

 

For those of you who said only championships, that is sad.

 

As a coach, championships are results that occur if the talent you had to win championships, executed, learned the fundamentals and worked as a team throughout the offseason and results happen. If you have the talent to win championships. My principal had a saying....You can't make chicken salad from chicken poop.

 

To this coach, if I helped a young person become a better person, through a multitude of ways, then it was a successful season. Championships are simply the dessert on a really good meal.

For those of you who said only championships, that is sad.

 

Trinity is Trinity because we set the highest goals and very often achieve them. Go ahead and keep setting "reasonable goals" and stay at the same level. If that makes you happy, great. But don't attack us because we set the bar higher and then leap over it.

 

I can see it now. The KHSAA will try to force Trinity and X to set “more attainable goals” to level the playing field.

I don't think successful seasons are only defined by champioships, but winning matters. For some teams, winning the district or the region is a successful season. For others, just making the playoffs would be a success. For a struggling program, just getting a few wins and heading in the right direction is a success. For the elite teams, I do think anything less than a championship is a failure. It varies by each individual team and their particular circumstances. I don't think under any circumstance could winning less than 4 games be considered good, and that is only for a team that had 1 or fewer wins the previous season. For Trinity, they should strive for a champioship every year. For Bullitt East, winning the region last year was a successful season. We would love to win a title, but were not quite there yet.

 

Also depends upon your status. I am sure that Beechwood's view of a successful season this year will not be the same as Bracken County's.

 

For those of you who said only championships, that is sad.

 

As a coach, championships are results that occur if the talent you had to win championships, executed, learned the fundamentals and worked as a team throughout the offseason and results happen. If you have the talent to win championships. My principal had a saying....You can't make chicken salad from chicken poop.

 

To this coach, if I helped a young person become a better person, through a multitude of ways, then it was a successful season. Championships are simply the dessert on a really good meal.

:thumb: :thumb: Grat post and observatons. By the way - a coach at Raceland some 30-32 years ago had that same saying.:lol:

Depends on your what view you are judging a successful season.

 

Coaches have one view.

Parents have another view.

Fans/alumni have another view.

Media have another view.

Opposing coaches have another view.

Players have another view.

 

Also depends upon your status. I am sure that Beechwood's view of a successful season this year will not be the same as Bracken County's.

 

For those of you who said only championships, that is sad.

 

As a coach, championships are results that occur if the talent you had to win championships, executed, learned the fundamentals and worked as a team throughout the offseason and results happen. If you have the talent to win championships. My principal had a saying....You can't make chicken salad from chicken poop.

 

To this coach, if I helped a young person become a better person, through a multitude of ways, then it was a successful season. Championships are simply the dessert on a really good meal.

Very well said. Getting the program to its maximum potential is one of the most difficult goals for coaches. Even programs who win championships do not reach their potential.

It's completely subjective, year-by-year in our program.

 

Each year, after the season, the players and coaches are all surveyed anonymously on their opinion on the following:

 

Comparing us with each of our opponents on...

* talent-level

* number of boys in our school to choose from

* and overall program support

...did we:

1. WIN every game versus teams against which we had the advantage.

2. COMPETE TO THE END (game could go either way through most of 4th quarter) in EVERY game, even versus teams against which we do NOT have the advantage.

3. WIN at least ONE of those games in which we do not have the advantage.

 

The LEVEL of success is based on HOW MANY times we achieve #3.

 

For instance, if we're 100% on #1 and #2 (which should happen EVERY year, regardless of our opponents), and we win ONE game against teams over which we do not have the advantage, it's just a "successful" season. Win TWO of those, it's "very successful." Win THREE or more, and it's "EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL."

 

Now, apply that standard to YOUR team. Also, apply it to the teams that traditionally win it a lot. Doing that, you can see why TRINITY or ST. X fans (and probably coaches, players, parents, administrators, etc.) feel nothing less than a championship is good enough.

 

Based on male enrollment, support, coaching staff quality and quantity, and all the other factors they themselves list as advantages over everybody else, you can see that #1 and #2 are pretty much going to happen every year; there's really only ONE OTHER team (X or T) in the state that they could argue they do not have "the OVERALL advantage" over (granted, they often play teams with more "athletes" than them -- like Male very often...but any coach will tell you that great athletes is only PART of the equation -- if not, Lou. Central would probably win 3A every year).

 

Interesting would be this...

 

:confused: Would T and X supporters still say "championships are the only way to guage success" if they were somehow in a class that included Cin. St. X, Cin. Elder, Cin. Colerain, Warren Central, IN., Indy Ben Davis, Brentwood Academy TN., etc.???:confused:

I agree with coach J. very well put.

Ditto

We will always strive to be best. If we played in your theoretical league, we would welcome the competition and strive to win the title. We would understand to be the best we would need to beat the best. In some years, we would fall short. Still, that would not stop us from setting our goals high.

 

Programs set goals they feel are appropriate for their own team. I get the feeling that many people think we are being arrogant for having a different definition of a successful season. I’m not attacking smaller, less successful programs for having different goals. Don’t take it personal. We’ve taken our share of lumps too. We just set the bar high at Trinity. It’s just the way it is.

 

I can't understand why anyone would attack us for this. Is it arrogant for the military to set their goal to beat any other military in a conflict? I think not.

It's completely subjective, year-by-year in our program.

 

Each year, after the season, the players and coaches are all surveyed anonymously on their opinion on the following:

 

Comparing us with each of our opponents on...

* talent-level

* number of boys in our school to choose from

* and overall program support

...did we:

1. WIN every game versus teams against which we had the advantage.

2. COMPETE TO THE END (game could go either way through most of 4th quarter) in EVERY game, even versus teams against which we do NOT have the advantage.

3. WIN at least ONE of those games in which we do not have the advantage.

 

The LEVEL of success is based on HOW MANY times we achieve #3.

 

Interesting 3 part questionnaire. I have a couple of questions:

1. How do you quantify talent level? Do you coaches tell the kids "Team XYZ" has more talent than we do before the game?

2. Do you tell your kids the number of boys your opponent has before the game?

3. How do you quantify program support? On that same scale, where do you quantify your program?

 

Do you have any concerns you might be giving your kids too many "excuses" for losing. Maybe they wouldn't say it, but they might think: "Well they had more fans in the stands. Plus that running back was good. And don't forget they have 75 more boys in their school. We didn't have a chance."

 

However I know you are a well respected coach, so what do I know. :thumb: