Sorry that I didn't make it more clear. The reason the rule was implemented (I believe) was from the incident that happened in Ky and thus the rule was adopted by the NFHS as a safety factor...

It has always been the rule.

In the end NCC scored 7. Just 7.

Well excuse me then.

 

That game was not determined by THE CALL.

 

The outcome was determined when NCC rolled into BG with OL and DL that outweighed Mayfield by 30-40 lbs average and they did not simply line up and pound the LOS. Mayfield had four offensive snaps in the first quarter. One was a punt. Because NCC controlled the LOS with their running game. Then they became impatient, not satisfied with 3-6 yd gains and gave up that huge advantage. That is what cost NCC a State Championship.

 

This thread was not designed to indicate this call cost NCC the game. And everyone on here readily agrees that it very well may not have changed the outcome.

 

However, those that think if the "boneheaded call" making it 14-0 would have been called correctly keeping the game at 7-0 with NCC ball at the 20, would have had no impact on the momentum or outcome of the game itself, are simply displaying bias. Is the next NCC drive when they scored? If so, the score being 7-7 in the 3rd quarter would certainly have changed some of the variables.

In the end NCC scored 7. Just 7.

 

Bingo! Regardless of the incorrect application of the rules on the muffed punt, and some questionable calls, you are not going to win many state championship games scoring only 7 points. Several people want to argue that the muffed punt call changed the momentum of the game, i agree, but momentum was changed all throughout the game for various reasons. If this, and If that, well, IF did'nt happen. Mayfield put themselves into the position to win, the officials did not make a call that cost NCC the game.

Bingo! Regardless of the incorrect application of the rules on the muffed punt, and some questionable calls, you are not going to win many state championship games scoring only 7 points. Several people want to argue that the muffed punt call changed the momentum of the game, i agree, but momentum was changed all throughout the game for various reasons. If this, and If that, well, IF did'nt happen. Mayfield put themselves into the position to win, the officials did not make a call that cost NCC the game.

 

And if called correctly, Mayfield scored only 10. The NCC kicker has range of 50+ yards so the call could have made a difference.

 

It was a great game played by 2 very equally talented teams. There should never be this type of issue to debate. It's a rules question, not a missed judgment call. Improperly administering rules, should NEVER happen in a state championship game. Rules knowledge is a basic qualification for officiating at any level.

I like to think of it as "new boneheads":bag:

 

.. @GloryDays: I am assuming you know a lot about this, hence your ability to refer to a group of people as "new boneheads".

 

What more can you tell us about your credentials?

And if called correctly, Mayfield scored only 10. The NCC kicker has range of 50+ yards so the call could have made a difference.

 

It was a great game played by 2 very equally talented teams. There should never be this type of issue to debate. It's a rules question, not a missed judgment call. Improperly administering rules, should NEVER happen in a state championship game. Rules knowledge is a basic qualification for officiating at any level.

 

Well, if called correctly, we still scored 17. Caldwell got into the endzone only to have it taken off the board due to the "block in the back call." I watched the feed after returning home and both the announcers, after watching the replay, said he was in the endzone and neither could figure out the call. So we got one TD given, and one taken away.

 

As for the speculation about the NCC kicker and his 50 yard plus range, I guess I would put more weight into that speculation had he kicked one in the game. That blown call didn't prevent him from kicking those speculative field goals.

 

It was a blown call, but there lots of blown calls. If you take the position that a blown application of the rules can affect the game, then you must admit that a blown judgment call can also affect the game. No logical reason to say one type of blown call is worse than the other, if the yardstick is "could affect the game."

There's a huge difference between a "blown call" and missapplying rules.

 

By missapplying the rules, it put Mayfield ahead by more than the 3 points awarded for a successful field goal. So it did effect the speculative field goals, by rendering them inconsequential.

Well, if called correctly, we still scored 17. Caldwell got into the endzone only to have it taken off the board due to the "block in the back call." I watched the feed after returning home and both the announcers, after watching the replay, said he was in the endzone and neither could figure out the call. So we got one TD given, and one taken away.

 

As for the speculation about the NCC kicker and his 50 yard plus range, I guess I would put more weight into that speculation had he kicked one in the game. That blown call didn't prevent him from kicking those speculative field goals.

 

It was a blown call, but there lots of blown calls. If you take the position that a blown application of the rules can affect the game, then you must admit that a blown judgment call can also affect the game. No logical reason to say one type of blown call is worse than the other, if the yardstick is "could affect the game."

NCC kicker looked like he struggled to kick an extra point.

 

As for the block in the back call , I've never seen that call on the goal line , all the players are twisting and turning, no way.

NCC kicker looked like he struggled to kick an extra point.

 

As for the block in the back call , I've never seen that call on the goal line , all the players are twisting and turning, no way.

 

He definitely had the leg. Accuracy has been the issue.

There's a huge difference between a "blown call" and missapplying rules.

 

By missapplying the rules, it put Mayfield ahead by more than the 3 points awarded for a successful field goal. So it did effect the speculative field goals, by rendering them inconsequential.

 

No, there is not a huge difference. There is no difference at all. A misapplication of the rules can affect the game. So can an erroneous judgment call. Both types of errors can impact a game. As I said, if the measuring stick is "impact on the game" there is no logical reason to think one type of error is worse than the other.

 

We got a TD and had one taken away. Even trade.

 

Your line about "effecting speculative field goals" is kinda funny, and shows just how far down the rabbit hole this type of "woulda, shoulda, coulda" thinking can go. He kicked zero field goals. None in the first half. None in the second half. None before the call. None after the call.

And if called correctly, Mayfield scored only 10. The NCC kicker has range of 50+ yards so the call could have made a difference.

 

It was a great game played by 2 very equally talented teams. There should never be this type of issue to debate. It's a rules question, not a missed judgment call. Improperly administering rules, should NEVER happen in a state championship game. Rules knowledge is a basic qualification for officiating at any level.

 

You can't let go of the (IF) can you. Ok, IF NCC had scored 18 they win.

NCC kicker looked like he struggled to kick an extra point.

 

As for the block in the back call , I've never seen that call on the goal line , all the players are twisting and turning, no way.

 

The block was actually about seven yards behind the line of scrimmage, after Caldwell was standing in the endzone. Their end took an outside rush route and our two players just pushed him that way, taking him out of the play. They released the block and the end turned his back to them, the play was over, you can see Caldwell standing up in the endzone. It doesn't appear that either of our players touched him ever in the back, but hard to tell. Either way, the block was good and the play was over, should have been a TD. Then we could have kicked a bunch of speculative field goals.

It had an affect on the game. Not saying NCC would have won, but it is inexcusable that high school officials can botch a call in that situation. Just really hard to believe that they could get it wrong.

I believe this is the play you're referring to. Looks like a completed pass and a face mask to me. Thanks to dwcphoto dwcphoto for the picture.

 

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That is exactly the play in looking for, the problem is the picture is taken after the ball bounced off the turf. Also, the runner was down before the pictured facemask occurred. It was called a PF 15 yrd penalty. Only thing possible would be incidental or maybe illegal hands to the face. These would not have been 15yd penalties since the mask was not grabbed during the tackle. Plus, the pass should have been incomplete, but thanks for the pic dude!