Um... No... The numbers I posted are 4 grade totals. You can find them here (http://www.khsaa.org/reports/enrollments/20112012schoolenrollmenttotalsbyalpha.pdf)

 

Secondly, the big school enrollment numbers have nothing to do with this. You are quick to point out that the schools are (only) 1/3rd the size of the big schools... But how about the ones further down the list that are 1/10th the size of the big schools. Or even 1/3rd the size of the 'big' A schools.

 

Look at surrounding states that actually do class basketball.... the cutoff for small school class is almost universally around the 280-300 range... Right where this one should be.

 

Again, if we're calling it the All A Classic, lets make it for the truly small schools.

 

Pretty clear these folks have a personal ax to grind. Set your own little tourney up however you like to guarantee the team you want to win it does.

Get over it. The name calling was for the tournament you all are starting up yourselves ... because the All A is staying as is baby! Deal with it.

 

:lol2:... Yeah I see your point there definitely...

OK, how about these questions:

 

What is the smallest school to win the state tournament?

 

How many schools with less than 500 students have won a state championship?

 

VOR, I think these questions would be hard to answer since I cannot think of a place where historical enrollment data is kept, but if someone can tell me where, I would be glad to do the research.

Pretty clear these folks have a personal ax to grind. Set your own little tourney up however you like to guarantee the team you want to win it does.

 

There still is no response here to anything quoted... So... Yeah...

 

I gave you numbers that support the argument, you returned with... nothing. So... Do you think our small class designation should be larger than all surrounding states? Should the schools with less than 300 kids just wallow in their pity? Close their doors? Cancel their seasons? No wait, I know, they should start a tournament called the "Middling School Tournament" because their enrollments are low.

 

Or this one could adapt to provide what they promise to, which is a small school tournament.

VOR, I think these questions would be hard to answer since I cannot think of a place where historical enrollment data is kept, but if someone can tell me where, I would be glad to do the research.

 

I'm not sure the smallest school to win the state tournament is relevant if it is before the days of mass consolidations. Because the playing field now is not what it was then. Just saying.

There still is no response here to anything quoted... So... Yeah...

 

I gave you numbers that support the argument, you returned with... nothing. So... Do you think our small class designation should be larger than all surrounding states? Should the schools with less than 300 kids just wallow in their pity? Close their doors? Cancel their seasons? No wait, I know, they should start a tournament called the "Middling School Tournament" because their enrollments are low.

 

Or this one could adapt to provide what they promise to, which is a small school tournament.

 

Funny stuff. ... Good luck buddy.

Without knowing the data, here is my take on this.

 

I see the purpose of the All A being one thing - give smaller schools that have no chance to win a KHSAA state championship an opportunity to win a state wide championship. I am basing this on the assumed fact that a team of the size that qualifies for the All A has never won a state championship and almost surely never will. I don't see it as being about teams not being able to compete, or win a district or regional tournament. If a smaller school makes the trip to Rupp, great and it has nothing to do with proving or disproving the purpose of the All A.

 

That being said, I have no problem putting in additional rules to restrict the field. Off the top of my head you could say the champion from the previous year or previous two years is not eligible to come back. If you want to take it further, you could say any team that makes it to the Sweet 16/wins region is not eligible the next year. If the goal is to keep the same teams from dominating it year after year you could do things like that. My only problem with that is if you take it to that level, you deny those players the chance to ever win a state championship.

Can anyone answer the following:

 

How does lowering the enrollment # to 300 or smaller hurt the All-A and it's stated purpose?

 

How would a rule like "KHSAA regional champs from the previous season cannot participate in the All-A the following season" hurt the All-A and it's stated purpose?

I am basing this on the assumed fact that a team of the size that qualifies for the All A has never won a state championship and almost surely never will.

 

you know what happens when you assume....

 

1993 Nicholas Co won both

1997 Hazard Co won both

2002 Jackson won All-A, runner-up KHSAA

2005 Clinton Co runner-up in both

2007 Lexington Christian won both

 

Happens more than you thought I bet!

Fairly sure it has happened just as often on the Boys side, one just fairly recently with Shelby Valley.

Can anyone answer the following:

 

How does lowering the enrollment # to 300 or smaller hurt the All-A and it's stated purpose?

 

How would a rule like "KHSAA regional champs from the previous season cannot participate in the All-A the following season" hurt the All-A and it's stated purpose?

 

Right now with around 120 some odd schools, you have regionals which have right around 8, some more, some less. If there are less schools, less games in the regional. Logistically, I am sure it could be handled moving around schools to adjacent regions or what have you, but I do not see it changing.

Do you think Ludlow would like to have that opportunity to compete like that more than once every 10-15 years?

 

Yes they would if they had a team that was capable of making a run to get there. However those teams for Ludlow back then were good enough to make that run and that is why they did it. Even though they were the 4th seed in their district of CovCath, Holmes and Holy Cross. Two schools with much bigger populations, and two of them being private schools which have a better chance to be better. So the All A did give them a chance to make a run at something when they did have a team good enough to make a run in the All A. Which at the end of the day that Ludlow team actually got shafted by having to be the 4 seed and no Holy Cross, but that is different story.

 

I like the All A because it does give the majority of teams a better chance to make a run than they do in their district. However at the same time it is still challenging enough for the majority of schools that it would be an accomplishment to make a run and not completely watered down. I know the playing field is never going to be completely even or fair, however this at least gives schools something they could truly shoot for. I seen someone mention taking the private schools out of it and honestly I would be fine with that. However that is whole other argument with private and public.

Can anyone answer the following:

 

How does lowering the enrollment # to 300 or smaller hurt the All-A and it's stated purpose?

 

How would a rule like "KHSAA regional champs from the previous season cannot participate in the All-A the following season" hurt the All-A and it's stated purpose?

 

I am fine with that too, actually I am the one who suggested this in the last thread that this was all talked about last month.

Well well. The All-A champs just knocked off the #1 team in the state, a top 10 team in the country. The plot thickens.

Does the plot thicken? As was pointed out: the last time the All A champ went to State was 1976. Not sure that makes HC a perennial winner. I've been in that gym a few times. Not a lot of district and regional banners there either.

My real question (and tho I've tried to read all the posts, I hope this is not redundant): Why don't those who want a smaller school tournament just start their own? Call it the "All Public A." Organize all the teams state-wide, fine a venue, hire the refs. Instead of trying to hijack the tourny the Catholic schools started, why not put your time and effort and money into creating your own? I don't ask this to be argumentative, I really want to know.