January 24, 201511 yr One thing I would like to add is the quote about Kyle enjoying killing "savages" has been taken out of context . He was talking about the jihadists not all Iraq's. People coming out and judging him and who have never been in his positions seem petty and small. I read the book and kyle enjoyed killing period. I guess that is why some people are upset, the movie did not portray what they believed to be the real Chris Kyle. Plus, there is the Ventura incident, gas station, and the rumored Katrina event. I will say this. Chris Kyle's actions in Iraq saved a lot of troops lives. To me, he is a hero for that. On the the other side, I can understand why people don't think he is a hero because of the Iraq war and how he talked in the book. It was a bit disturbing to me. The amount of hero worshipping in this country can be excessive. So I can understand why people don't kiss the ground Chris Kyle walked on. For pete's sake he is a Navy SEAL, not a saint. So I don't think people hate their country or are communist because they don't like him or the movie. That said, a really good movie is a really good movie regardless of what happened in the book and i'm looking forward to seeing it this weekend. As one person mentioned before, the major theme of the movie appears to be how the war affected Kyle. The affects of war and PTSD on the troops when they come back home are a serious matter. Any movie bringing that to light I'm all for it.
January 24, 201511 yr I read the book and kyle enjoyed killing period. I guess that is why some people are upset, the movie did not portray what they believed to be the real Chris Kyle. Plus, there is the Ventura incident, gas station, and the rumored Katrina event. I will say this. Chris Kyle's actions in Iraq saved a lot of troops lives. To me, he is a hero for that. On the the other side, I can understand why people don't think he is a hero because of the Iraq war and how he talked in the book. It was a bit disturbing to me. The amount of hero worshipping in this country can be excessive. So I can understand why people don't kiss the ground Chris Kyle walked on. For pete's sake he is a Navy SEAL, not a saint. So I don't think people hate their country or are communist because they don't like him or the movie. That said, a really good movie is a really good movie regardless of what happened in the book and i'm looking forward to seeing it this weekend. As one person mentioned before, the major theme of the movie appears to be how the war affected Kyle. The affects of war and PTSD on the troops when they come back home are a serious matter. Any movie bringing that to light I'm all for it. I'll have to reread it, I don't remember him saying that he "Loved Killing". He did love protecting his guys and saving lives by shooting threats to them. The Gas station thing and the Katrina thing I'd never heard until the last week or so...I doubt either one actually happened. Could have been Kyle just bragging or Urban Legend, I don't know. Movie and the Book are not really that in sync, if you go in expecting to see the Book in Movie version you will be disappointed. The movie points out pretty well what soldiers and their families go through, I think that is what is getting most of the acclaim, not the 160 confirmed kills.
January 24, 201511 yr I'll have to reread it, I don't remember him saying that he "Loved Killing". He did love protecting his guys and saving lives by shooting threats to them. The Gas station thing and the Katrina thing I'd never heard until the last week or so...I doubt either one actually happened. Could have been Kyle just bragging or Urban Legend, I don't know. Movie and the Book are not really that in sync, if you go in expecting to see the Book in Movie version you will be disappointed. The movie points out pretty well what soldiers and their families go through, I think that is what is getting most of the acclaim, not the 160 confirmed kills. If the book and movie are not in sync that will not bother me one bit. I'm glad the movie is getting the acclaim for portraying the home life. As for the "loved killing" part, I guess I should rephrase that to him enjoying killing the enemy. I can understand why some people find that off-putting vs the man in the movie who struggled with it.
January 25, 201511 yr If the book and movie are not in sync that will not bother me one bit. I'm glad the movie is getting the acclaim for portraying the home life. As for the "loved killing" part, I guess I should rephrase that to him enjoying killing the enemy. I can understand why some people find that off-putting vs the man in the movie who struggled with it. I don't get why killing the enemy would be off putting or enjoying or having pride in the job our country asked him to do. Every man has flaws no one is calling him infallible. If we expect our hero's to be infalliable we are setting way to high a bar. But we can respect , honor and look up to a man who sacrificed more than most and done more to protect our freedom than most. I mean some of the same people on the left who are criticizing Kyle being considered a hero are the same people who look up to Bill Clinton and I don't think they want to compare skeletons in the closet. . But I think we can define someone as a hero for the good deeds they have done whether it be those who consider Clinton to be one or those who consider Kyle. You should be able to separate good deeds and still know everyone is human.
January 25, 201511 yr I don't get why killing the enemy would be off putting or enjoying or having pride in the job our country asked him to do. Every man has flaws no one is calling him infallible. If we expect our hero's to be infalliable we are setting way to high a bar. But we can respect , honor and look up to a man who sacrificed more than most and done more to protect our freedom than most. I mean some of the same people on the left who are criticizing Kyle being considered a hero are the same people who look up to Bill Clinton and I don't think they want to compare skeletons in the closet. . But I think we can define someone as a hero for the good deeds they have done whether it be those who consider Clinton to be one or those who consider Kyle. You should be able to separate good deeds and still know everyone is human. Pretty easy, because normal human beings don't enjoy killing other human beings regardless of the situation. Kyle described it in the book as fun. Saying if it was not for his family he keep going back to do it some more. "Our ROEs [Rules of Engagement] when the [iraq War] kicked off were pretty simple: If you see anyone from about sixteen to sixty-five and they’re male, shoot ’em. Kill every male you see. That wasn’t the official language, but that was the idea". from his memoir. You don't have to be a liberal or whatever to find that off-putting. But yes, I agree with you, we can define someone as a hero for the good deeds they have done.
January 25, 201511 yr I don't want to see Selma. I'd like to see American Sniper. What does that make me? An American with freedom of choice.
January 25, 201511 yr Haven't read through any of this since last week when the movie came out in our area. I think the girlfriend and I are going today. Will catch back up on the thread after that.
January 25, 201511 yr Hard to connect with a man who has killed so many men and women, turned away from his family, and is truly an American hero. War is hell. Movie and the story definitely a mix of emotions for me. Thank God men are willing to defend our country and sacrifice so much in the process. Shame how it ended.
January 25, 201511 yr Pretty easy, because normal human beings don't enjoy killing other human beings regardless of the situation. Kyle described it in the book as fun. Saying if it was not for his family he keep going back to do it some more. "Our ROEs [Rules of Engagement] when the [iraq War] kicked off were pretty simple: If you see anyone from about sixteen to sixty-five and they’re male, shoot ’em. Kill every male you see. That wasn’t the official language, but that was the idea". from his memoir. You don't have to be a liberal or whatever to find that off-putting. But yes, I agree with you, we can define someone as a hero for the good deeds they have done. I don't find it off putting at all.
January 25, 201511 yr Hard to connect with a man who has killed so many men and women, turned away from his family, and is truly an American hero. War is hell. Movie and the story definitely a mix of emotions for me. Thank God men are willing to defend our country and sacrifice so much in the process. Shame how it ended. Reading some judgemental posts on here. I don't feel many if anyone on here is in a position to judge these men. Doubt any of you really understand who these men truly are. And yes , thank God we have them!
January 25, 201511 yr I don't find it off putting at all. Good for you. I can't fault people people who do or give those people death threats on twitter because they don't call him a hero or critsize the man because they feel the movie is trying to show kyle as someone he is not.
January 25, 201511 yr We use the word Hero all too often. This guy was an American Hero. Doesn't come without sacrifice. My brother died in Vietnam defending our country and he is my Hero. Hopefully you can at least give me that.
January 25, 201511 yr Clint has said this is an anti-war movie by showing the negative impact on families.
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