I would say there is more than 1 or 2 D1 kids.

 

Which ones have offers and from which schools?

Which ones have offers and from which schools?

 

The only one I know with an offer is Olmstead. Eastern Illinois.

 

I would say Hoge is a candidate.

Powell, Moore, Ross and Vercheak all could end up having one.

How do I not remember that? What happened from here?

 

 

 

Just this:

 

HIGHLAND HEIGHTS - Northern Kentucky University's football program has been sacked before the first snap of the ball.

 

New President James C. Votruba told The Enquirer he does not think the proposed non-scholarship Division II program, which was to begin play in 1999, can be funded without cutting academic efforts.

 

Also, a key supporter of NKU football, developer Bill Erpenbeck, bowed out of a community fund-raising drive to start the program, further dimming prospects.

 

''The costs for a successful program in football are substantial,'' said Dr. Votruba, who took office Aug. 1. ''Add to those costs the compliance of Title IX and we have a very large financial commitment.

 

''I have said so many times, as important as football may be, its importance does not justify using monies designated for academic enhancement.''

 

That sentiment was also made clear by NKU's Board of Regents, which approved an enhanced athletics program in January that included football and women's soccer and was subsidized by a $20-per-semester fee paid by students. Regents stressed they would not allow football if it drained money intended for other operations.

 

It was projected then that such enhancements would be covered by fee monies, estimated to be about $375,000 a year.

 

However, two national consultants - asked by Dr. Votruba to study the plans he inherited - said that figure was too low. They put the minimum mark at about $500,000 - not including maintenance, security and other costs.

 

And, in order to field a competitive team, NKU would need to offer scholarships, which would cost an additional $250,000. Add to that the funding needed for more programs and facilities for women in order to comply with federal gender equity rules.

 

The formal death knell for NKU football will likely come in November, when regents are scheduled to discuss the matter during their regularly scheduled meeting. The board voted last month to put the program on hold while consultants reopened the issue.

 

But it was the long hang time between the regents' approval in January and now that prompted Mr. Erpenbeck to withdraw his support to raise money for NKU football.

 

Mr. Erpenbeck added he was upset there was talk in the community that he was out to profit from his support of the program.

 

''I think it's probably time that I need to walk away from it,'' he said. ''The longer they waited, the more difficult it was to raise money. You have to hit the momentum when the excitement is there.''

 

Jack Moreland, who was NKU's interim president and the key lobbyist for football, said the news of Mr. Erpenbeck's decision wasn't good.

 

''I was disturbed when I saw he was going to back away,'' Mr. Moreland said. ''I think that does not bode well for Northern Kentucky University. ...

 

''There are people on campus who really want to see this fail and delay is tantamount to making it go away,'' said Mr. Moreland, who added the opposition does not include Dr. Votruba.

 

Mr. Erpenbeck said there were businesses willing to give people and materials for excavating, electrical work, and sprinkler systems ''which would have been in the six-figure range from each person.''

 

Regent Alice Sparks said the loss of Mr. Erpenbeck's support - and with it, the potential community fund-raising - makes it unlikely the board will agree to continue football planning.

 

''If we don't have it, I don't see that we can do it,'' she said.

 

If regents do decide to cancel plans for football, the question then becomes what NKU will do with the $20 student fee. The fee, which was implemented this fall, is already being used by the women's soccer team, which began play this semester.

 

Gary Kummer, 23, a junior from Cincinnati, said students should have a voice in what happens to that money.

 

Northern, he said, could either put the money toward improving existing sports or improve Regents Hall where the basketball and volleyball teams play.

 

''It's my hope the students seriously consider supporting (the athletic program) in receiving the $20 student fee,'' said Athletics Director Jane Meier.

 

 

 

 

Local- The Enquirer - September 6, 1997

The only one I know with an offer is Olmstead. Eastern Illinois.

 

I would say Hoge is a candidate.

 

Many of these guys will get PWO offers from some D1 schools, so they will be 'playing' D1 football. Just not on scholarship early on in their adventures.

Many of these guys will get PWO offers from some D1 schools, so they will be 'playing' D1 football. Just not on scholarship early on in their adventures.

 

And if they do get PWO offers, many will opt to play at a lower level. I know a few like to believe that NKY is loaded with D1 talent, but that is simply not the case. Less than 1% of all high school football players end up playing D1 football, which means there are likely at most, 5 or 6 legit D1 guys in the area. While if Northern had D1 team, it would be an option for local guys, that doesn't mean their team would automatically get loaded up with all NKY guys. There simply isn't enough D1 level guys to fill out an 80+ man roster. If they wanted to be successful, they'd have to recruit out of area and especially in the beginning, chase JUCO prospects. Just look at UK. They struggle and they recruit a lot instate. Do you really think many kids would choose NKU over UK?? I would suspect, most of those locals that ended up there would be borderline guys, as there would be very little reason for a top level guy to choose an upstart D1 program over an established one. It would likely be several years (or more) for them to start attracting any consistent top level talent.

Some as in 1 or 2 which is what I said initially.

 

The vast majority of players you listed are not D1. Hard to win D1 games with D3 players.

 

It's hard to win D1 games with D1 players. It's impossible to win D1 games with D3 players.

The cost of a college education is ridiculous these days especially considering the fact that kids are going into severe debt to obtain a piece of paper that may or may not get them employment. Oooops....didnt mean to hijack the thread.

 

You will never see football at NKU....especially now that they are D-1.

I believe I still have my NKU football shirt I purchased. Still waiting for my season tickets.

I was incorrect it includes all 114 colleges in the state of KY. I must have missed those discussions but I believe an NKU degree is as good as any you'll find in the state.

 

NKU tops Kentucky college return-on-investment rankings

 

Interesting that Centre College is left off of that list. I have a feeling that their ROI is actually tops in KY. Not that it is relevant to this topic, but I just thought I would point it out.

Interesting that Centre College is left off of that list. I have a feeling that their ROI is actually tops in KY. Not that it is relevant to this topic, but I just thought I would point it out.

 

I had a pretty solid feeling as to who you were when you joined. Now I know. Welcome.

 

You're right on two fronts: Centre is hard to beat and it's a great separate topic.

Interesting that Centre College is left off of that list. I have a feeling that their ROI is actually tops in KY. Not that it is relevant to this topic, but I just thought I would point it out.

 

Centre is a great school, the cost of tuition probably keeps that from being true but you may be correct. My point was to defend my alma mater because I think it gets a bit of a bad rap. I've side tracked the thread enough, my apologies.

D-1 football would be fun at NKU but if you are relying on NKY to fill your roster, don't waste your money.

D-1 football would be fun at NKU but if you are relying on NKY to fill your roster, don't waste your money.

 

NKY and Cincinnati right across the river.

NKY and Cincinnati right across the river.

 

Cincinnati, the city that is being recruited by every major college in America? Good luck convincing a Notre Dame recruit to come to Highland Heights.