High school athletics is about the kids. No, one said that is wasn't about the kids. I could ask anyone of my varsity players in the 17 years that I have been coaching, and not one of them wants to play stall basketball. It is not fun to watch or PLAY. So, yes it would be great if the state could afford the idea.

I am NOT in favor of A shot clock in h.s. basketball. No shot clock allows for coaches that have a undermanned team to manage the clock to give their team a chance to win if that is how they choose to play it. Defense's can use tighter D's, traps, etc to negate this if they choose. I don't really like an all out stall, but coaches are there to give their kids the best chance to win that they can. If this style offense is how the coach feels is his best chance for the talent that he has then he should have the ability to use it. The "Princeton" style offense is not a stall and to me anyway is a pure form of basketball. Back screens, back door cuts, give-n-go,precise passing game to me is great to watch. What it all boils down to is that a coach should be able to use whatever style of play that he deems necessary to fit his style and his team.

Most schools do well to find someone competent to run the scoreboard for a game. Who will they find to keep the shot clock? It will almost take a second person to do this? Who will pay for the second person to keep a shot clock? Adding this is like adding the third official -- something that's really not needed and another cost handed down to the individual school, not to mention the cost of purchasing and installing two shot clocks in your gym.

Good points have also been made on the cost factor of a shot clock, to me a shot clock would have to be installed and some schools just cannot afford it. If not a clock, like fletch was saying you almost have to have a extra official at the scorers table to keep such a clock and that would be more expense also. These things would almost have to be necessary to do this, if not - how would you like to be a coach having some "good ole boy" from the home town school controlling a shot clock? Some places have enough trouble with the regular game clock.

Let's see...

People don't want classification because it waters down the championships more kids could win and ruins their Sweet 16.

 

People want a shot clock because it makes the game more fun for them to watch.

 

Huh! And I thought HS athletics was about the kids.

 

Well it is about the kids and getting people to come and watch them play. As a ladiesbballcoach, you should understand better than most how sometimes the Ladies teams must feel, when no one comes to see them play no matter how good they are, but pack the gym to see the boys play...It is about the kids, when the crowds roots on the team, or even pats them on the back and tells them better luck next time.. While playing sports is fun whether anyone watches or not, would you rather play in front of a lot of fans or none, even if those fans were cheering against you? You make the call?

 

I really don't know how much clocks would cost but as I said earlier I can't believe that the KHSAA couldn't get the price down to a reasonable cost by bidding out the job to one company for all it's members.....

 

Also, I just find it hard to believe that no one would volunteer to help out in the Public Schools, because if that is the case, then you all (meaning public schools) are in a whole lot more trouble than I thought, and no matter what the KHSAA decides what to do with the public/private debate it won't help. Because without community/parental/alums support, your schools will never improve.

I think there should be a shot clock in high school basketball. It's not a problem on any other level of play, so why not.

 

It may help prepare potential players going to college to get used to the faster pace of college ball.

My only complaint is that shot clocks were basically put in for the NBA and college ball to make the game high scoring and thus a better fit for T.V.ratings, etc.

 

High school basketball is about the only pure form of basketball left. Most players know that they aren't going to have a career beyond high school and play for the love of the game and appear more willing to embrace the team concept than is done at big time college programs and the NBA.

 

Why ruin a good thing. A team can only hold the ball against you if you left them. Get out there and put some pressure on the ball deny the passing lanes and earn yourself a 5 count. Get a few turnovers take the lead and the opponet will not be able to hold the ball. The defense is just as capable of forcing the action as is the offense.

 

Good point.:thumb: But anything that would help prepare a potential player would be an advantage for future college players,IMO.

I think we should institute some sort of football rule that says teams that run the ball (like Belfry) should not be allowed to grind the clock against my beloved Bobcats...

I think there should be a shot clock in high school basketball. It's not a problem on any other level of play, so why not.

 

This was my argument two years ago.

 

 

*helps teach the kids to get IN their offense quicker.

*prepares them for the collegiate level.

*adds more coaching strategies.

*improves the fan enjoyment.

I would love to see a shot clock but probably never will. I think a shot clock of 40-45 seconds would really be fun to watch. Maybe if they had one in the state tournament this year it would not have been so boring with one or both teams scoring in the 30's almost every game.

I would love to see a shot clock but probably never will. I think a shot clock of 40-45 seconds would really be fun to watch. Maybe if they had one in the state tournament this year it would not have been so boring with one or both teams scoring in the 30's almost every game.

 

My point exactly!!!:thumb:

Don't ask why I was digging through posts from 2006, but I stumbled across this one and thought it was a unique question. I can't believe we haven't discussed this in my time on BGP.

This was my argument two years ago.

 

 

*helps teach the kids to get IN their offense quicker.

*prepares them for the collegiate level.

*adds more coaching strategies.

*improves the fan enjoyment.

 

How many HS players even make it to the next level?

I am NOT in favor of A shot clock in h.s. basketball. No shot clock allows for coaches that have a undermanned team to manage the clock to give their team a chance to win if that is how they choose to play it. Defense's can use tighter D's, traps, etc to negate this if they choose. I don't really like an all out stall, but coaches are there to give their kids the best chance to win that they can. If this style offense is how the coach feels is his best chance for the talent that he has then he should have the ability to use it. The "Princeton" style offense is not a stall and to me anyway is a pure form of basketball. Back screens, back door cuts, give-n-go,precise passing game to me is great to watch. What it all boils down to is that a coach should be able to use whatever style of play that he deems necessary to fit his style and his team.

 

Thank you!! This is an important note....people seem to equate "Princeton" and even the old Dean Smith "Four Corner" as "stall ball." Neither, in fact, is a stall offense.

 

Both CAN be used to slow the game down, so it's all about what the coach is trying to use the offense for. But - strictly speaking of the above two offenses - both are trying to manufacture back-door cuts, etc., in order to get high-percentage shots, primarily layups.

 

In 1977, I watched a girls team - down by 8 points with about 4 minutes left in a first round Sweet 16 game - go to the Four Corner. Many of their fans went nuts in the stands....why, or why, is our coach going nuts and slowing the game down?? We need points!!

 

And points they got. The coach - who is now in the KY Hall of Fame - had recognized a weakness from the other team. The trailing team got layup after layup, and outscored the other team by 16 points in those final moments. They won, pulling away, by 8 (if my memory is about right).

 

As for the shot clock...the fact is, people want the shot clock for the entertainment value. If we truly are about the kids - we all say we are - then don't impose random rules that don't really "improve" the game (except in some people's subjective opinions). Let the coaches coach and the kids play. The team with the most points - whether 35 or 85 - wins.

 

The shot clock doesn't make the game better; it only further homogenizes the style of play. Pretty soon, you look like the NBA; every team looks about the same.

 

(For the record - in the interest of transparency - I LOVE the uptempo game. In fact, one of the three high schools I cover - South Oldham - led the state in scoring last year at 81 ppg, and has been near the top nearly every year for many, many years. They average 77 ppg this year. They have no need for a shot clock...LOL...the other two schools I cover primarily - Oldham County and North Oldahm - are also two of the higher scoring teams in the 8th region... I'm just not in favor of forcing a style of play on everyone. One of the true beauties I love most when broadcasting a game is when the two teams have two very distinct styles of play...)

 

CM

 

In 1977, I watched a girls team - down by 8 points with about 4 minutes left in a first round Sweet 16 game - go to the Four Corner. Many of their fans went nuts in the stands....why, or why, is our coach going nuts and slowing the game down?? We need points!!

 

And points they got. The coach - who is now in the KY Hall of Fame - had recognized a weakness from the other team. The trailing team got layup after layup, and outscored the other team by 16 points in those final moments. They won, pulling away, by 8 (if my memory is about right).

 

CM

 

The opposing coach who was leading by 8 points should have been immediately fired. I would have gone zone and let the losing team dribble the clock out.