I hope we get a budget passed.

Truthfully, I think they have a pretty clear vision at this point. It's the Democrats that lack a clear platform. The Democratic party is a conglomeration of all the people that support things the Republicans won't do or will get rid of if they come into complete control in Washington: environmental groups, supporters of massive social welfare programs, labor unions, etc.

 

Not every Democratic candidate supports all those things but has to juggle them all in a really difficult way. It's not helping them out.

 

The Republican message -- less government, less taxation -- is pretty clear. There are some peripheral issues about border security and stuff like that, but the main Republican message is crystal clear and they can scream it at the top of their lungs. It makes for a compelling set of talking points when you only have a few things to hammer home.

 

I guess where I'm muddled in receiving their message is in WHAT the plan is for less government and less taxation. Maybe the answers are in those stalled bills. The other thing they have a pretty clear message about is repealing AHCA, but what will they DO besides return to the old way? I think the high level message is clear. But what about the details?

I guess where I'm muddled in receiving their message is in WHAT the plan is for less government and less taxation. Maybe the answers are in those stalled bills. The other thing they have a pretty clear message about is repealing AHCA, but what will they DO besides return to the old way? I think the high level message is clear. But what about the details?

 

It's right there in the word. "Conservatism" itself implies sticking to the old way.

It's right there in the word. "Conservatism" itself implies sticking to the old way.

 

And the definition of insanity is doing things the same way over and over and expecting a different result....

The one thing that seems to unite most Republicans that I know is they want Fiscal Conservatism first and foremost. That is one of the few things the Tea-Party and GOP Base agree on in almost ever case.

 

Social Conservatism as it was 20-30-40 years ago is gone from mainstream politics. If GOP moves more to the middle on this, I think they could maintain control for the next few elections.

I'm still looking for the question that was supposedly going to be asked.

The one thing that seems to unite most Republicans that I know is they want Fiscal Conservatism first and foremost. That is one of the few things the Tea-Party and GOP Base agree on in almost ever case.

 

Social Conservatism as it was 20-30-40 years ago is gone from mainstream politics. If GOP moves more to the middle on this, I think they could maintain control for the next few elections.

 

Yes, but the GOP has a history of having an idiot or two make off the wall, asinine comments....

That's exactly what I mean. It takes two to tango. Hugely expensive race in which most voters didn't particularly like either candidate that amounted to absolutely nothing.

 

Same as it ever was.

 

This may have been different, as this was considered a battleground for the national referendum due to Mitch's role in the senate. It would have a been a huge win for the dem's conceptually and everyone knew that.

I am no authority on politics, and not by a long shot. Throughout my life I've made numerous attempts to get a firmer grasp on things to form a more solid view of my own, but rarely ever do.

 

I've been listening to advocates of both parties for years paint the unclear picture all the while presenting with authoritative certainty that what they are saying is how it is.

 

It's hard to get a true clear understanding when it's apparent that both sides incessantly express their views with a subjective spin.

 

For every argument there is a rebuttal that shoots down anything that anyone from either side has presented.

 

There's always so called indisputable evidence coming from those who claim to have it all figured out, but all it ever sounds like is just another spin to support their side while running down the other.

 

If you believe the Republicans, they are always right and the Dems are always wrong, and vice versa with nary any admittance to their side ever making missteps.

 

With such obvious perpetual subjective banter, even those who speak with such concrete knowledge lose respect all the while sounding well informed because if they hang solidly onto the myth that their party is infallible, that there speaks volumes of how lopsided their view truly is.

 

Objectivity would be a refreshing change, but I'm not holding my breath that it's something that I will ever witness within the political arena, nor do I believe that I could ever form a solid informed view when truth is cloudy at best, distorting anything worth hanging my hat on.

I'm still looking for the question that was supposedly going to be asked.

 

He forgot it.

If they pass a balanced budget amendment then that alone is more than the democrats were ever able to do. I'd be estatic if that ever happened.

And the definition of insanity is doing things the same way over and over and expecting a different result....

 

 

What we have now is far "from the old way". AND, there have been many changes proposed over the years, and anything different from our tactics over hyper-regulation and taxation of "big-business" (which in fact hurts small businesses more!) and increased dependency on the federal government is shot down like balloon. Just one example...investment of social security. Allowing individuals to choose how their funds are invested....happens in other countries, but the dems. make it sound like the conservatives who proposed this are thieves...when in fact, this gives individuals choices. SO, the question really is, what changes and changes in thinking will the other side open their minds up to and allow. Can you answer that?

This may have been different, as this was considered a battleground for the national referendum due to Mitch's role in the senate. It would have a been a huge win for the dem's conceptually and everyone knew that.

 

I get why it was big. Yet none of it mattered.

Still no answer the question but then again that says a lot.

Media is already spinning it as a Hillary win. Really, look at Yahoo.

 

:idunno: The "Hillary Ticket" didn't do so well yesterday...