Agreed.

 

Incognito sounds like a tool either way.

 

I agree completely.

So what relevance does a person who's never killed another person have to the discussion?

 

Because the person who's never killed another person actually killed another person more than likely, thus making him relevant to the discussion about a person killing another person.

 

 

 

 

I can't help it Ray Lewis made another dude take the wrap for him, he still killed the guy IMO.

If we're talking about an NFL player killing someone, look at Kevon Belcher. He obviously had some deep mental issues, but killed his wife/girlfriend and then drove to the team's facilities and killed himself. Then there's the whole Aaron Hernandez thing. Then there's people complaining on Facebook and Twitter about the air time Ray Lewis' "leadership" got during the playoffs.

 

Given the PR fiasco that those and the concussion lawsuits are/were for the NFL, you better believe that they will take a case where someone tells another player that they are going to kill them very seriously. Richie Incognito is in some deep ish if you are asking me, and this hasn't even touched on the Riley Cooper race stuff that appears present in this case as well.

Edited November 4, 201312 yr by JokersWild24
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If we're talking about an NFL player killing someone, look at Kevon Belcher. He obviously had some deep mental issues, but killed his wife/girlfriend and then drove to the team's facilities and killed himself. Then there's the whole Aaron Hernandez thing. People complaining on Facebook and Twitter about the air time Ray Lewis' "leadership" got during the playoffs.

 

Given the PR fiasco that those and the concussion lawsuits are/were for the NFL, you better believe that they will take a case where someone tells another player that they are going to kill them. Richie Incognito is in some deep ish if you are asking me, and this hasn't even touched on the Riley Cooper race stuff that appears present in this case as well.

 

This ^

Because the person who's never killed another person actually killed another person more than likely, thus making him relevant to the discussion about a person killing another person.

 

 

 

 

I can't help it Ray Lewis made another dude take the wrap for him, he still killed the guy IMO.

 

Reading the information about the case, I'm not really sure that Ray Lewis killed the guy. Is it possible? Yes. But is it a slam dunk? No.

 

The way I interpreted it, he was trying to break up the fight and could have been acting in self defense.

 

Now, with all of that said, it appeared very plainly that he was guilty of the obstruction of justice charges he was hit with.

I was referencing Leonard Little and Stallworth.

But semantics matter.

 

Ray Lewis was guilty, he didn't cooperate with the investigation. He did not kill anyone though.

 

As far as Incognito goes, he's terrible anyways. He won't ever play another down if this stuff turns out to be true.

 

Just because Ray Lewis wasn't found guilty of murder doesn't mean he didn't murder anyone. Just means it can't be proven. I mean, no way would his boys take the murder rap for him, huh?

Icognito, now that is an oxymoron.

Not familiar with the incident, but that sounds an awful lot like Stallworth. I'm talking about someone who intentionally killed a person. Accidents happen, and can even lead to charges. That doesn't mean they were intentional.

 

Just for me, and reasonable minds can differ, but here's the difference in Stallworth and Incognito's situation as I see it:

 

In many states and/or jurisdictions, the idea of premeditation is extremely important to what type of crime you end up being charged with. In Texas 'with malice aforethought' is bad news if you are going to be the defendant in a trial, and you can probably guess why (hint: it has to do with a state widely known for giving the death penalty).

 

Incognito texting "I'll kill you" or something similar to Martin, shows that, if he followed through with the act, that it was premeditated. In some (or even many instances given the state you are in), that means the difference between a lifetime prison sentence or death row, or at the very least a much worse charge and sentence, all other things held constant.

 

 

In the case of Stallworth and Ray Lewis, it's highly likely that no 'malice aforethought' or whatever another state's similar definitions is/was could be proven by the evidence presented. This is not meant to be taken as saying that the end result of someone dying wouldn't be different if Incognito followed through with his threats.

 

I'm just saying that when Donte Stallworth started his car, there was no evidence to prove he was thinking "I'm going to kill 'x' "… where 'x' was the person who he subsequently ended up hitting and killing.

 

Same for Ray Lewis. When he got into his limo, there was no 'malice aforethought' as to "I'm going to kill 'y'… where 'y' ended up being the person who died in the incident that he may or may not have been directly involved in.

 

With Richie Incognito and Jonathon Martin, if the stories are correct as they are presented here, then there's definitely an element of 'malice aforethought'/premeditation if he followed through with his threats. Given the current climate of the NFL, following the Kevon Belcher incident, among others, I'm guessing they'll take this one seriously.

Edited November 5, 201312 yr by JokersWild24
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Richie Incognito is a bully and likely a very bad guy. However, can we pump our brakes comparing this to people that HAVE TAKEN HUMAN LIVES! Good Lord, he sent some REALLY stupid texts and bullied a dude. A dude, who, is self-described as having no friends on the team and who was pushed over the edge when the entire O-Line got up and moved when he sat with them. I feel badly for the guy, being an outcast is no fun, but from that to putting Incognito onto a list of people that may or may not have killed people seems a little far-fetched. These were texts and money, those people DIED.

 

He did colossally dumb stuff and is likely to be severely punished, but to say his texts were premeditated and thus are as bad or worse than an act that left a person dead is preposterous.

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Richie Incognito is a bully and likely a very bad guy. However, can we pump our brakes comparing this to people that HAVE TAKEN HUMAN LIVES! Good Lord, he sent some REALLY stupid texts and bullied a dude. A dude, who, is self-described as having no friends on the team and who was pushed over the edge when the entire O-Line got up and moved when he sat with them. I feel badly for the guy, being an outcast is no fun, but from that to putting Incognito onto a list of people that may or may not have killed people seems a little far-fetched. These were texts and money, those people DIED.

 

He did colossally dumb stuff and is likely to be severely punished, but to say his texts were premeditated and thus are as bad or worse than an act that left a person dead is preposterous.

 

I wasn't arguing that, I was just illustrating the difference between his actions and Stallworth & Lewis' IF he went through with his threats. Usually threats to kill coworkers are taken seriously whether they are made in jest or not. Not comparing what he did to murder, but he's definitely looking guilty of terroristic threatening and acting like a caveman.

Edited November 5, 201312 yr by JokersWild24

I'm sorry but when I think of NFL or NBA hazing, I think of a rookie wearing a pink backpack on the road. This is way over the line

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A) Dolphins' coaches used Incognito for a code red (toughen him up)? Oops.

 

B) Where were the 3+ pages of outrage for Brandon Marshall (et al) for his acts of domestic violence? Incognito threatened a 300 pound man, Marshall hit a woman.

Uh oh...

 

 

@dkurtenbach: Dolphins coaches asked Ricky Incognito to "toughen up" Jonathan Martin Sun Sentinel …

Now word is that the coaching staff asked Incognito to "toughen him up."

 

Not good for Philbin's future.