I like that they schedule Cooper and Conner. BW isn't a bad game to schedule either. You want teams that will challenge you but not destroy you. A Colerain for instance would be a mistake.

 

Anderson and Mason come to mind. Mason even has a Simon Kenton connection.

Do you know anything about New Cath and Beechwood?

 

Plenty, but that's irrelevant. Schools with 5X their enrollment shouldn't consider themselves the best in the state because they beat them, regardless of how good their programs are. They should beat them every year.

Plenty, but that's irrelevant. Schools with 5X their enrollment shouldn't consider themselves the best in the state because they beat them, regardless of how good their programs are. They should beat them every year.

It is a common, but weak argument. The number of students in the school does not dictate a better program. Way too many examples to list them all. A quality program, is a quality program, is a quality program. I don't care if they have 11 players or 111 players.

 

The enrollment argument has never been valid, if so, we wouldn't play the games, the teams would show up with their superintendent and the school with the largest enrollment would be awarded the game.

It is a common' date=' but weak argument. The number of students in the school does not dictate a better program. Way too many examples to list them all. A quality program, is a quality program, is a quality program. I don't care if they have 11 players or 111 players. The enrollment argument has never been valid, if so, we wouldn't play the games, the teams would show up with their superintendent and the school with the largest enrollment would be awarded the game.[/quote']

 

If that was the case there would be one class, but there's 6. Validated by the coaches in the state of KY raising the number of classes. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule. Come on.

Plenty, but that's irrelevant. Schools with 5X their enrollment shouldn't consider themselves the best in the state because they beat them, regardless of how good their programs are. They should beat them every year.

 

In general that is probably true. But with some schools, it isn't. Your top level small schools can probably beat the majority of the big schools.

If that was the case there would be one class, but there's 6. Validated by the coaches in the state of KY raising the number of classes. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule. Come on.

Yea, that's why the coaches vote for it. Or, they vote for it so they can have more success. If my employer asks me to vote on making my job easier, guess how I will vote. Enrollment is not the determining fact for a quality program.

Yea' date=' that's why the coaches vote for it. Or, they vote for it so they can have more success. If my employer asks me to vote on making my job easier, guess how I will vote. Enrollment is not the determining fact for a quality program.[/quote']

 

If you rank football teams as if there was only one class it would be very top heavy. As good as some of the smaller schools are they simply don't have the horses to compete with teams that are able to do things like platoon. And before you give me an example of one small school that platoons, I know enrollment doesn't always equal participation but it sure as hell helps.

 

Is enrollment the only factor? No. But it plays a huge part.

 

Yes, there are exceptions to the rule. That has been established.

If you rank football teams as if there was only one class it would be very top heavy. As good as some of the smaller schools are they simply don't have the horses to compete with teams that are able to do things like platoon. And before you give me an example of one small school that platoons, I know enrollment doesn't always equal participation but it sure as hell helps.

 

Is enrollment the only factor? No. But it plays a huge part.

 

Yes, there are exceptions to the rule. That has been established.

 

I agree, if we ranked all teams in the state as if they were one class, it would be top heavy with large schools. But, is that because of enrollment numbers? No, because if it was all the large schools would be at the top and all the small schools would be at the bottom.

 

You bring up another argument with "Platooning", that is a huge difference. That is what I was getting at, the schools that platoon have a huge advantage over any school that does not platoon. But, again, enrollment is not the deciding factor and large enrollment does not dictate platooning. There are smaller schools that can platoon, and there are larger schools that do not platoon. The size of the student body does not dictate a good program, the number of players on the team does. And many times people correlate large school enrollment with large participation, and that is a simple not a true argument.

I agree, if we ranked all teams in the state as if they were one class, it would be top heavy with large schools. But, is that because of enrollment numbers? No, because if it was all the large schools would be at the top and all the small schools would be at the bottom.

 

You bring up another argument with "Platooning", that is a huge difference. That is what I was getting at, the schools that platoon have a huge advantage over any school that does not platoon. But, again, enrollment is not the deciding factor and large enrollment does not dictate platooning. There are smaller schools that can platoon, and there are larger schools that do not platoon. The size of the student body does not dictate a good program, the number of players on the team does. And many times people correlate large school enrollment with large participation, and that is a simple not a true argument.

It would be interesting to see the # of players for each team. I think it would surprise many who preach over and over again about platooning and how 5A schools should platoon no matter what. I think they would be surprised that the participation numbers isn't what they thought they were as you brought up.

 

I did a little research on MaxPreps to get some of the roster numbers turned in and out of Cooper's district alone with the teams that turned in their rosters to MaxPreps this is how the participation varies

 

Cooper's Roster 58 Players

So. Oldham Roster 73 Players

Scott Roster 84 Players

 

Now to compare Cooper's roster with just a couple other teams in the area who are in smaller classes, NCC (2A) and Beechwood (1A)

Cooper 58 players

NCC 58 Players

Beechwood 50 Players

 

So even though Cooper is in 5A, their participation is closer to a 1A or 2A team. It's tough to platoon when you don't have the numbers.

I agree, if we ranked all teams in the state as if they were one class, it would be top heavy with large schools. But, is that because of enrollment numbers? No, because if it was all the large schools would be at the top and all the small schools would be at the bottom.

 

You bring up another argument with "Platooning", that is a huge difference. That is what I was getting at, the schools that platoon have a huge advantage over any school that does not platoon. But, again, enrollment is not the deciding factor and large enrollment does not dictate platooning. There are smaller schools that can platoon, and there are larger schools that do not platoon. The size of the student body does not dictate a good program, the number of players on the team does. And many times people correlate large school enrollment with large participation, and that is a simple not a true argument.

 

We are in agreement. But like I stated earlier. Larger enrollment sure does help with the ability to platoon, but it's not the only factor. Additionally, the large schools mentioned in this thread should be able to platoon and the small schools they have beaten can't. I have my opinions on large schools that can't platoon but no one wants to hear those.

It would be interesting to see the # of players for each team. I think it would surprise many who preach over and over again about platooning and how 5A schools should platoon no matter what. I think they would be surprised that the participation numbers isn't what they thought they were as you brought up.

 

I did a little research on MaxPreps to get some of the roster numbers turned in and out of Cooper's district alone with the teams that turned in their rosters to MaxPreps this is how the participation varies

 

Cooper's Roster 58 Players

So. Oldham Roster 73 Players

Scott Roster 84 Players

 

Now to compare Cooper's roster with just a couple other teams in the area who are in smaller classes, NCC (2A) and Beechwood (1A)

Cooper 58 players

NCC 58 Players

Beechwood 50 Players

 

So even though Cooper is in 5A, their participation is closer to a 1A or 2A team. It's tough to platoon when you don't have the numbers.

Exactly my point. I would guess that you would agree that NCC and Beechwood are quality programs and can, and do, compete with schools with much larger school enrollment numbers. They compete with larger schools because of their participation numbers and the quality of their program, not because of school enrollment.

We are in agreement. But like I stated earlier. Larger enrollment sure does help with the ability to platoon, but it's not the only factor. Additionally, the large schools mentioned in this thread should be able to platoon and the small schools they have beaten can't. I have my opinions on large schools that can't platoon but no one wants to hear those.

I want to hear it, we probably agree on that. And the thing is, if those schools, with larger enrollment numbers, platoon, their participation numbers will increase as well, with potential players knowing they have a better chance of getting playing time on a team that uses 50 players as opposed to a team that uses 25 players.

 

Now, I'm not totally stupid, I know if a school has 1000 boys they have a better "Potential" of getting 100 football players as compared to a school that has 100 boys. That is just rational thinking, but my whole argument is, just because a school has 1000 boys, that does not mean they will "get" 100 players. It comes down to the quality of the program to determine how many boys a team gets to play.

It would be interesting to see the # of players for each team. I think it would surprise many who preach over and over again about platooning and how 5A schools should platoon no matter what. I think they would be surprised that the participation numbers isn't what they thought they were as you brought up.

 

I did a little research on MaxPreps to get some of the roster numbers turned in and out of Cooper's district alone with the teams that turned in their rosters to MaxPreps this is how the participation varies

 

Cooper's Roster 58 Players

So. Oldham Roster 73 Players

Scott Roster 84 Players

 

Now to compare Cooper's roster with just a couple other teams in the area who are in smaller classes, NCC (2A) and Beechwood (1A)

Cooper 58 players

NCC 58 Players

Beechwood 50 Players

 

So even though Cooper is in 5A, their participation is closer to a 1A or 2A team. It's tough to platoon when you don't have the numbers.

 

I'm assuming these numbers do not include Freshmen.

 

Assuming that, Scott has 84 kids on their Soph thru Sr roster? So someone remind me again why in the world Scott can't field a Freshman team playing in the Freshman league vs a team in the Froshmore league? That seems totally absurd.

I want to hear it, we probably agree on that. And the thing is, if those schools, with larger enrollment numbers, platoon, their participation numbers will increase as well, with potential players knowing they have a better chance of getting playing time on a team that uses 50 players as opposed to a team that uses 25 players.

 

Now, I'm not totally stupid, I know if a school has 1000 boys they have a better "Potential" of getting 100 football players as compared to a school that has 100 boys. That is just rational thinking, but my whole argument is, just because a school has 1000 boys, that does not mean they will "get" 100 players. It comes down to the quality of the program to determine how many boys a team gets to play.

 

Totally agree with your last paragraph. As for your first paragraph, maybe some other time...

Wow so 2 teams who were in the state title games last year.

 

last year are the key words here...And in 4A and 5A and yes, made it to the finals, but had no chance of winning. Just like SK...made it to the semis, but had absolutely no chance of winning.