August 2, 201313 yr The challenge I see for Charlie is his "NO GUNS" stance. So it applies to players IN the program who will be kicked off the team if they possess a gun but NOT to a player who illegally possessed a gun prior to being at UL. That's a tough sell IMO. That's a good point...
August 2, 201313 yr Coaches that are great guys and teach kids the right way to live get fired if they can't produce wins. There has to be a balance at some point. If I had a dollar for every time I heard Tubby is a great guy but....... Joker is a great guy but......... but gets you fired. True but UL didn't need this problem maker with their joke of a schedule. Chuck is hedging to make sure he meets his agenda.
August 4, 201313 yr The challenge I see for Charlie is his "NO GUNS" stance. So it applies to players IN the program who will be kicked off the team if they possess a gun but NOT to a player who illegally possessed a gun prior to being at UL. That's a tough sell IMO. He "LEGALLY" possessed said gun. Get the facts brother.
August 4, 201313 yr He "LEGALLY" possessed said gun. Get the facts brother. My fault. You are correct. What I SHOULD have said was that Dyer LET a friend use his gun knowing the friend was going to "hit a lick" ie commit an armed robbery. He "tried" to talk him out of it but when the friend insisted that he was still going to go rob someone Dyer didn't take his legally-owned gun back ie he was complicit.
August 4, 201313 yr Coaches that are great guys and teach kids the right way to live get fired if they can't produce wins. There has to be a balance at some point. If I had a dollar for every time I heard Tubby is a great guy but....... Joker is a great guy but......... but gets you fired. Can you win and keep your soul in college football? Dungy proved you can in the NFL. Was Paterno college football's last hope for a truly honest coach who wouldn't compromise their integrity? That proved to be the biggest wolf in sheep's clothing of them all. We can stand for our teams to lose but will overlook bad things when they help. At the end of the day maybe it's good that these guys get a second or third chance. If Dyer becomes a productive citizen all this discussion will be for naught. I do think all coaches should lay off of the moral high ground that many stand on though. When forced to choose a successful coach rarely chooses their own morals or agenda over winning. It's hypocritical.
August 7, 201313 yr If true, that's a classy move. It's also the right one. This was linked to in an article about Dyer today. It's a follow-up with Darius Ashley written back in 2012. Strong did keep him on scholarship and he became the first person in his family to graduate from college. He then went on to get an MBA from UofL as well. He never played another down of football. Darius Ashley Opens Up
August 7, 201313 yr Can you win and keep your soul in college football? Dungy proved you can in the NFL. Was Paterno college football's last hope for a truly honest coach who wouldn't compromise their integrity? That proved to be the biggest wolf in sheep's clothing of them all. We can stand for our teams to lose but will overlook bad things when they help. At the end of the day maybe it's good that these guys get a second or third chance. If Dyer becomes a productive citizen all this discussion will be for naught. I do think all coaches should lay off of the moral high ground that many stand on though. When forced to choose a successful coach rarely chooses their own morals or agenda over winning. It's hypocritical. Bobby Bowden was giving an interview once that really struck me and just stuck with me. It was after his retirement and he was talking about taking criticism for giving "second" and "third" chances. Verbatim, he acknowledged that it helped him win, but also said that as a professional, it didn't bother him to take that criticism because there was nothing more rewarding than seeing a kid succeed when he would have otherwise been cast-off. Again, that's just verbatim, but I think it gets the point across.
August 7, 201313 yr This was linked to in an article about Dyer today. It's a follow-up with Darius Ashley written back in 2012. Strong did keep him on scholarship and he became the first person in his family to graduate from college. He then went on to get an MBA from UofL as well. He never played another down of football. Darius Ashley Opens Up Saw an article in the LHL earlier this year about UK offering to pay the remainder of a kid's college tuition after he was recruited over if he decided that he wanted to stay there and finish up instead of transferring (he didn't because he wanted to play and taking the scholarship would have meant he would be ineligible, but still a great gesture).
August 7, 201313 yr Bobby Bowden was giving an interview once that really struck me and just stuck with me. It was after his retirement and he was talking about taking criticism for giving "second" and "third" chances. Verbatim, he acknowledged that it helped him win, but also said that as a professional, it didn't bother him to take that criticism because there was nothing more rewarding than seeing a kid succeed when he would have otherwise been cast-off. Again, that's just verbatim, but I think it gets the point across. I think you looked up antonyms instead of synonyms for the word "summary".:wacky: Edited August 7, 201313 yr by JokersWild24
August 7, 201313 yr I think you looked up antonyms instead of synonyms for the word "summary".:wacky: I accidentally edited your post instead of hitting "reply with quote" too, and added: Most definitely. It was a long morning. :ohbrother: I definitely meant to say "more or less", or something getting at the 'gist' of the message. And now it looks like it's just been a long day in general. Hahaha. Moving boxes in 100+ degree heat has its downsides.
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