Who cares! We beat the teams that was in front of us. You might be right we might not have won all of those titles had Danville and Mayfield been in Class A but we will never know.

Thats just not true. Mayfield and Danville for sure would have taken some of those titles. If you think otherwise your delusional.

 

I guess I'm blind then ha ha I guess we will never know

Without doubt it would have taken the legend of MY down a few notches but I still think he was great back then. Bw's 95 title loss to Mf I recall being shocked that Bw played us so well. I recall most all of Mf really expecting the title to be a sure win and MY quickly earned my respect that day and nearly took my trophy up north

 

I feel the opposite on this one. I still can't figure out how Beechwood lost that game. Beechwood knocks out their Qb and still gets beat! That was one of the best high school games I have ever seen!

A season later, this thread is very worthy of being revisited to see what has changed and a lot has.

 

Mayfield wins a title without Jackson apparently to the surprise of many

Bw bows out early

Frank, finally beats BW

Bw appears to have placed more emphasis on the forward pass

 

For me, I still think Mayfield is better coached but Rash is heading in the right direction. I wonder if Mf will still be around by the time he gets the Tigers in the position to challenge Mf.

I will say this, having a really really good player doesn't take much coaching.....

 

You couldn't be more wrong. Coaching a really good player has a whole different set of problems. Coaching a great team also has a whole different set of problems.

Noel Rash and his staff have done a remarkable job and put in countless hours into their successful program. I do not believe you will ever see the success in the 90's repeated in Ft. Mitchell. Enrollment and demographics are two main ingredients for a successful program. Boone County and Lloyd Memorial are examples of schools that have declined for these reasons. Simon Kenton is a program that has thrived due to population growth in their community.

 

Beechwood is a little different animal because it loses students to CCH who are Ft. Mitchell residents. I believe the success of the Colonel Middle School football and the demise of Spartan senior program has cut Beechwood off at the knees. In the past, they would have a least a "punchers chance" in getting some talent. Now these kids are put into the middle school ball system in the 6th grade and it is highly unlikely they going to switch over.

It is easy to sit on a bar stool at the Saddle Club and say ''remember when'' and to throw darts at a coaching staff that does things the right way.

 

Ft. Mitchell and Beechwood should be thankful for Noel Rash!

How many years has the Colonel Middle School program been around? Is the Spartan program a Bw middle school program? I take your last post to mean that Ft Mitchell kids are now playing in the Colonel program rather than the Bw Spartan program and the Colonel program starts in 6th grade while the Spartan program starts in 7th. But what of the kids that land at Bw from outside Ft. Mitchell? I recall several coming over in the last 5 years from out of district, including kids on this past years team. Plus many Bw fans are again proclaiming to have just had their best Frosh class in history. They also made that claim for the class of 2011 that had studs in it like Vocke.

How many years has the Colonel Middle School program been around? Is the Spartan program a Bw middle school program? I take your last post to mean that Ft Mitchell kids are now playing in the Colonel program rather than the Bw Spartan program and the Colonel program starts in 6th grade while the Spartan program starts in 7th. But what of the kids that land at Bw from outside Ft. Mitchell? I recall several coming over in the last 5 years from out of district, including kids on this past years team. Plus many Bw fans are again proclaiming to have just had their best Frosh class in history. They also made that claim for the class of 2011 that had studs in it like Vocke.

 

I believe the Colonel program may be in 6th of existance. The Spartan was NKYFL team that would consist of both future Beechwood and Cov Cath players. I know Cameron Vocke was an Erlanger kid and they currently have a set of twins from outside the district. I did not watch Beechwood's frosh team this year. I know Ryle won the frosh league in this area.

 

I do not have a "dog in the hunt" on this topic, you have two top notch programs that both have quality coaching staffs. Unreal expectations from Alumni and parents run rapid through successful programs everywhere. Watch and see what happens if Highlands goes a couple of years without a title. I am supporter of the middle school programs, the object is to get the kids running an abreviated style offense that they will see in high school. My claim is CCH has done a wonderful job with their Colonel program and others are playing catch up.

I believe the Colonel program may be in 6th of existance. The Spartan was NKYFL team that would consist of both future Beechwood and Cov Cath players. I know Cameron Vocke was an Erlanger kid and they currently have a set of twins from outside the district. I did not watch Beechwood's frosh team this year. I know Ryle won the frosh league in this area.

 

I do not have a "dog in the hunt" on this topic, you have two top notch programs that both have quality coaching staffs. Unreal expectations from Alumni and parents run rapid through successful programs everywhere. Watch and see what happens if Highlands goes a couple of years without a title. I am supporter of the middle school programs, the object is to get the kids running an abreviated style offense that they will see in high school. My claim is CCH has done a wonderful job with their Colonel program and others are playing catch up.

 

The Colonels middle school program has been an outstanding feeder for CovCath, they have well over 100 kids involved in the program and have had great success. BW started their MS program 3 years ago in response to the Colonel program as well as the decline in the Spartan senior numbers. The first year BW middle school team took their lumps, but have won the small school division championship the past 2 years. IMO BW made the right move and will cultivate their own talent and will continue to have succes.

While I don't have a dog in this fight, I would have to say that the Mayfield staff has run rough shod over the Beechwood staff in recent years. Has Mayfield probably had better talent...yes, but Beechwood had a team a couple of years ago that seemed to be more talented and they went to Mayfield and lost. Mayfeild staff seems to do a better job of making adjustments on the fly, Beechwood seems to stay in whatever package they have and let the chips fall where they may. From what I hear Beechwood has most everyone coming back this year, so the big question now is can they get by Frankfort? Only time will tell.

Noel Rash and his staff have done a remarkable job and put in countless hours into their successful program. I do not believe you will ever see the success in the 90's repeated in Ft. Mitchell. Enrollment and demographics are two main ingredients for a successful program. Boone County and Lloyd Memorial are examples of schools that have declined for these reasons. Simon Kenton is a program that has thrived due to population growth in their community.

 

Beechwood is a little different animal because it loses students to CCH who are Ft. Mitchell residents. I believe the success of the Colonel Middle School football and the demise of Spartan senior program has cut Beechwood off at the knees. In the past, they would have a least a "punchers chance" in getting some talent. Now these kids are put into the middle school ball system in the 6th grade and it is highly unlikely they going to switch over.

It is easy to sit on a bar stool at the Saddle Club and say ''remember when'' and to throw darts at a coaching staff that does things the right way.

 

Ft. Mitchell and Beechwood should be thankful for Noel Rash!

 

Dude, drugs are bad. You should lay off...

 

Just give me some kids that would have went to Beechwood if there wasn't a Cov Cath MS program? 98% of those kids were going to Cov Cath anyway. I can't think of more than 3 or 4 Cov Cath guys in the last 10 years that lived in Beechwood School District and played Football at Cov Cath. So kindly give me some of those. I'm sure there are others, but the older Way (OL for CCH -can't remember his name) is the only one I can think of off-hand. He was already at Cov Catch when they moved to Beechwood schol district.

 

The issue with the CCH MS program is that its an absolute machine. They have some great coaching and they have plenty of kids. Pure and Simple, a great development program. It hasn't cut Beechwood off at the knees directly, it has simply elevated the Colonel program above that of the Tigers. This is not Rash's fault certainly. While I wasn't a fan, I have been educated about the guy that they have running the MS program. I understand that Keb (Kevin) Bright is a great coach and really has the kids excited about the BW MS program instead of it just being a holding queue until they can play Freshman.

 

As far as the "Enrollment and demographics are two main ingredients for a successful program" What are you talking about? How has that changed from the 90's? If anything, because of the Education differences, Beechwood has more of a chance of getting some good student athletes and certainly keeping any who want both great football/sports opportunities and great education. Enrollment is UP since the 90's so I see no way this is factor.

 

I doubt I'm wrong on these, but educate me. Contrary to opinion, I can be taught and I'm willing to listen to good evidence.

Question to the Mayfield fans ... if Mayfield had lost in the title game last year, would the fans be questioning their coach for getting one title in the 4 year Jonathon Jackson era?

 

If I remember correctly some Mayfield fans were ready to run Joe out of town when they went 1-5 against Danville in the semis from 2000-2006. Bet they are glad calmer heads prevailed. The Mayfield and Beechwood staffs are outstanding. Since the mid 1990's to present, the better football schools are not outcoaching each other as some keep assuming. There is more quality coaching going on in high school than people realize. Teams with the best overall talent are winning at an overwhelming rate. That doesn't mean that the coaching is irrelevant (that would be absurd). What it means is that when these teams have superior talent they are not losing to teams they should beat (very often)

Dude, drugs are bad. You should lay off...

 

Just give me some kids that would have went to Beechwood if there wasn't a Cov Cath MS program? 98% of those kids were going to Cov Cath anyway. I can't think of more than 3 or 4 Cov Cath guys in the last 10 years that lived in Beechwood School District and played Football at Cov Cath. So kindly give me some of those. I'm sure there are others, but the older Way (OL for CCH -can't remember his name) is the only one I can think of off-hand. He was already at Cov Catch when they moved to Beechwood schol district.

 

The issue with the CCH MS program is that its an absolute machine. They have some great coaching and they have plenty of kids. Pure and Simple, a great development program. It hasn't cut Beechwood off at the knees directly, it has simply elevated the Colonel program above that of the Tigers. This is not Rash's fault certainly. While I wasn't a fan, I have been educated about the guy that they have running the MS program. I understand that Keb (Kevin) Bright is a great coach and really has the kids excited about the BW MS program instead of it just being a holding queue until they can play Freshman.

 

As far as the "Enrollment and demographics are two main ingredients for a successful program" What are you talking about? How has that changed from the 90's? If anything, because of the Education differences, Beechwood has more of a chance of getting some good student athletes and certainly keeping any who want both great football/sports opportunities and great education. Enrollment is UP since the 90's so I see no way this is factor.

 

I doubt I'm wrong on these, but educate me. Contrary to opinion, I can be taught and I'm willing to listen to good evidence.

 

Wow! I did not mean touch a nerve with the Saddle Club comment, I am sorry if I hit home on that one.

 

Let's start with what we agree on first. The Colonel MS football program is an absolute machine that are well coached and the supply is plenty and growing. I also agree that Keb Bright is an outstanding choice for Beechwood MS program. You will not find a more quality of a person.

 

Enrollment and demographics are huge in any program. I gave several great examples, Boone County HS is at 1800 students but the neighborhoods they draw from are older/mature. There only chance is to have the district rezone Pleasant Valley road, where Cooper parents will fight because they do not want to send their kids to Boone. Lloyd has went from 780 plus students to under 400, Why? Maturing neighborhoods and there is no where to build. Simon Kenton enjoys the luxury of Independence growth spurt over the last decade, they are capitalizing to the fullest. Are you going to tell me Jim Daugherty, Mike Leising, and Tim Odom didn't know how to coach football? The deck was stack against them when they were at SK helm. Open enrollment benefits them, but that is another thread.

 

We have you beloved Beechwood Tigers, Ft Mitchell is a matured community, I do not have enrollment numbers compared to 90's. They are under 400 students from 9-12, with 90 in their graduating class. We can agree the academic bar has been raised at Beechwood, fantastic ACT scores.

 

IMO, the demise of Spartan senior program and the acceleration of CCH has hurt Beechwood. I went to one varsity game this year due to a new work schedule. I stood on the CCH sidelines against Beechwood on the Thursday night Fox game. It looked like David vs. Goliath, the Beechwood kids were small and out numbered. Mike Yeagle or Bill Belechick would not of been able to coach those kids up that night.

 

I love it my man, it is only Feb. 10th and you have this much passion. I think your mind set is not changing on Noel, but give me a chance. I am new to BGP and hopefully by October, we can call up Butch at the Greyhound, Noel, you and I, all can go break bread together, drink red tiger kool-aid, and sing Kumbaya!

I know very little about NKY other than my wife is from the Bw area. Just from a past fly over on Google Earth it is obvious that Ft Mitchell is a older mature community that appears to have no more room for any new growth and I would guess that it has been that way for sometime given the age of the homes I witnessed driving to the stadium. While I agree to some degree with enrollment and demographics, that is true to some degree anywhere but I doubt it is the whole story in the case of BW. I have said many times for years on here that I think Rash is not winning because he has been slow to modernize his offense. Mayfield experienced the exact same thing. In 2005 NCC beat us 42-7 in the state finals with a heck of a passing game. We then over the next several years toyed with it but never seemed comfortable with it. The first game of 2009 we were getting beat 21-0 in the first quarter by the defending class A champs from TN who had won 20 some odd games in a row. We found ourselves in a situation where we had to pass and we came back and won the game. From that moment on we have been a balanced spread team. I see the same similarities in the BW current situation

I must also add that this years coaching job is likely Morris best job. He had a team of average Joes and won it walking away. 1 kid from this years team will be playing at the next level, that's it. This was the least talented group we have had in years