When Mayfield leaves 1A then Beechwood can run rough shod over 1A again, then the Tiger faithfull will say we left before they got good again. Like in the 90's before Mayfield and Danville joined 1A. Like I have said many times , Beechwood is a quality program but they would not have 11 titles if Mayfield or Danville had been in 1A with them. Mayfield choose to play up for many many years.

Wow! I did not mean touch a nerve with the Saddle Club comment, I am sorry if I hit home on that one.

 

Let's start with what we agree on first. The Colonel MS football program is an absolute machine that are well coached and the supply is plenty and growing. I also agree that Keb Bright is an outstanding choice for Beechwood MS program. You will not find a more quality of a person.

 

Enrollment and demographics are huge in any program. I gave several great examples, Boone County HS is at 1800 students but the neighborhoods they draw from are older/mature. There only chance is to have the district rezone Pleasant Valley road, where Cooper parents will fight because they do not want to send their kids to Boone. Lloyd has went from 780 plus students to under 400, Why? Maturing neighborhoods and there is no where to build. Simon Kenton enjoys the luxury of Independence growth spurt over the last decade, they are capitalizing to the fullest. Are you going to tell me Jim Daugherty, Mike Leising, and Tim Odom didn't know how to coach football? The deck was stack against them when they were at SK helm. Open enrollment benefits them, but that is another thread.

 

We have you beloved Beechwood Tigers, Ft Mitchell is a matured community, I do not have enrollment numbers compared to 90's. They are under 400 students from 9-12, with 90 in their graduating class. We can agree the academic bar has been raised at Beechwood, fantastic ACT scores.

 

IMO, the demise of Spartan senior program and the acceleration of CCH has hurt Beechwood. I went to one varsity game this year due to a new work schedule. I stood on the CCH sidelines against Beechwood on the Thursday night Fox game. It looked like David vs. Goliath, the Beechwood kids were small and out numbered. Mike Yeagle or Bill Belechick would not of been able to coach those kids up that night.

 

I love it my man, it is only Feb. 10th and you have this much passion. I think your mind set is not changing on Noel, but give me a chance. I am new to BGP and hopefully by October, we can call up Butch at the Greyhound, Noel, you and I, all can go break bread together, drink red tiger kool-aid, and sing Kumbaya!

 

The only thing I have passion for right now is responding to people who throw crap opinion around and try to pretend it is fact.

 

Where in my response did I say anything about Noel Rash or criticize him? My response had nothing to do with Noel Rash. I was responding to your assessments and opinions and asking you to provide some evidence. You give incorrect and invalid reasoning for the state of Beechwood and I'm telling you that you that I think you are wrong. I realize this thread is a comparison of coaches, I didn't and still don't want to go there, but I did want to respond to your ignorant assertions.

 

You give no evidence. You simply restated your opinions without facts. I understand the effect enrollment has on sports. I think my 2nd grader can understand that. You keep bringing up Boone and Lloyd like anyone here needs you to point that out. That would be a DUH! thing. I'm talkinga bout evidence that this is the case with Beechwood School District. I can assure you that is not Beechwood's problem. Beechwood simply does not have the difference in enrollment numbers like the examples you site or as you suggest. What were the numbers from the 90's? Just give me a guess at what you think they were on average. It wasn't that much over 400, if at all. If you were correct, wouldn't the numbers in the program be down overall? They are not. If anything, I think the number of players has grown. You are trying to draw parallels simply based on Mature Community. Throwing in names of great Ft. Mitchell landmarks such as Saddle Club and Greyhound doesn't prove you know what the hell you are talking about. Stop making assumptions and put up some actual numbers and stop using conjecture.

 

Every community that is essentially locked physically like Beechwood/Ft. Mitchell goes through cycles. Older people sell and move away and young families move in. It doesn't take sprawl and growth with new houses. Just because the houses are older and "mature", doesn't mean that there aren't young families living in them. For the most part, Ft. Mitchell has not significantly grown physically since 70's. While your concept may prove correct in most communities, Beechwood draws young families to Ft. Mitchell. More importantly, it keeps many of the people that grrew up here returning with their own families . Thats why you have 2nd and 3rd generation kids playing. Certainly not all, but most families are willing to trade their newer home for an older home for the opportunity to send their kids to Beechwood. Ask any real estate person. It's why a house that would be 150-175K in most communities is $225-250K in Beechwood School District. Why are people willing to do that? The answer is Sports programs and Academics, but you must feed that machine. We have done that in the Acdemics area, but we have not done that recently in the sports.

 

You didn't even address your other incorrect point that there are significant numbers of Ft. Mitchell/Beechwood School District boys that choose Cov Cath over Beechwood. While there are certainly out-of-district kids choosing CCH of Beechwood, there just aren't that many (still can't think of more than handful) in-district that choose Cov Cath over Beechwood and those are generally locked in at the First Grade when they choose Catholic Grade school over public. As for the others... As Guru has correctly pointed out many times, the biggest effect on the Beechwood Football program and kids choosing to go to CCH, Dixie or other schools is consistently losing games to them. This is especially the case with drawing the more talented out-of-district kids. Scheduling them is big and very important, but you have to beat them too.

I must also add that this years coaching job is likely Morris best job. He had a team of average Joes and won it walking away. 1 kid from this years team will be playing at the next level, that's it. This was the least talented group we have had in years

 

I can't believe I am hitting the "Like" button on your posts TP. IMO, you are hitting the nail on the head. I have never once criticized the effort, time, work ethic or any related stuff with Coach Rash and his staff. It would be very arrogant and stupid of me to do so when the evidence is otherwise. I have long believed that there is far more to coaching than simply putting in the time and careing about the kids. It's important, but most coaches put in the time and care about their players.

 

I think what a coaching staff does with a lesser talented team is a greater benchmark of their abilities.

Yeah' date=' we'll if you take away a blown call in 10 and hightchew not getting hurt in the first quarter of 11, you wouldn't be saying that and IDE still be saying the same thing. Took a blown call in overtime to beat NCC in 10 and with hightchew out most the game in 11, beechwood wins 29-20 at home. Lets not forget the bogus offside call on the opening KO which resulted in a rekick and a KO return in 11..... Honestly, the 11 beechwood team was the better of the last three seasons. By the way, NCC has won 2 out of the last 3 2A state titles, how many 1A titles has beechwood won in that time?[/quote'] you watch the film from 10 the ball broke the plane before it was dropped

I can't think of more than 3 or 4 Cov Cath guys in the last 10 years that lived in Beechwood School District and played Football at Cov Cath. So kindly give me some of those. I'm sure there are others, but the older Way (OL for CCH -can't remember his name) is the only one I can think of off-hand. He was already at Cov Catch when they moved to Beechwood schol district.

 

There have been more than that. I couldn't say exactly how many, but I can't imagine that it isn't EASILY in the double digits over the last decade. The Sam and Max Halpin pop to mind right off, but with Blessed Sacrament as a primary feeder parish of Cov Cath, it's pretty hard for me to imagine that there aren't more than that. I've got a framed picture of Cov Cath's '97 state championship team sitting on my desk, and I just glanced at it and counted 9 guys I grew up with in Fort Mitchell, not including myself.

 

Also, although I generally would have to agree with your point of view, OSD, I would be interested in seeing if tark the shark's point about Fort Mitchell being a "matured" community may or may not hold some water. I know that, among other things, the streets are shockingly bare when it comes to trick-or-treating in the neighborhood I grew up in. I can also tell you that when it comes to all of my "neighborhood friends", the parents of virtually every single one of them are still living in the same houses as they did when I was playing kick-the-can in their backyards when I was ten. I could drive down Burdsall, Pleasant Ridge, Thompson, Idaho, Highland, or Greenbriar and still identify a large number of the same families in the houses. I'd love to see some census info about the current Fort Mitchell demographic. I'd like to see some info on the attendees of the school as well.

The only thing I have passion for right now is responding to people who throw crap opinion around and try to pretend it is fact.

 

Where in my response did I say anything about Noel Rash or criticize him? My response had nothing to do with Noel Rash. I was responding to your assessments and opinions and asking you to provide some evidence. You give incorrect and invalid reasoning for the state of Beechwood and I'm telling you that you that I think you are wrong. I realize this thread is a comparison of coaches, I didn't and still don't want to go there, but I did want to respond to your ignorant assertions.

 

You give no evidence. You simply restated your opinions without facts. I understand the effect enrollment has on sports. I think my 2nd grader can understand that. You keep bringing up Boone and Lloyd like anyone here needs you to point that out. That would be a DUH! thing. I'm talkinga bout evidence that this is the case with Beechwood School District. I can assure you that is not Beechwood's problem. Beechwood simply does not have the difference in enrollment numbers like the examples you site or as you suggest. What were the numbers from the 90's? Just give me a guess at what you think they were on average. It wasn't that much over 400, if at all. If you were correct, wouldn't the numbers in the program be down overall? They are not. If anything, I think the number of players has grown. You are trying to draw parallels simply based on Mature Community. Throwing in names of great Ft. Mitchell landmarks such as Saddle Club and Greyhound doesn't prove you know what the hell you are talking about. Stop making assumptions and put up some actual numbers and stop using conjecture.

 

Every community that is essentially locked physically like Beechwood/Ft. Mitchell goes through cycles. Older people sell and move away and young families move in. It doesn't take sprawl and growth with new houses. Just because the houses are older and "mature", doesn't mean that there aren't young families living in them. For the most part, Ft. Mitchell has not significantly grown physically since 70's. While your concept may prove correct in most communities, Beechwood draws young families to Ft. Mitchell. More importantly, it keeps many of the people that grrew up here returning with their own families . Thats why you have 2nd and 3rd generation kids playing. Certainly not all, but most families are willing to trade their newer home for an older home for the opportunity to send their kids to Beechwood. Ask any real estate person. It's why a house that would be 150-175K in most communities is $225-250K in Beechwood School District. Why are people willing to do that? The answer is Sports programs and Academics, but you must feed that machine. We have done that in the Acdemics area, but we have not done that recently in the sports.

 

You didn't even address your other incorrect point that there are significant numbers of Ft. Mitchell/Beechwood School District boys that choose Cov Cath over Beechwood. While there are certainly out-of-district kids choosing CCH of Beechwood, there just aren't that many (still can't think of more than handful) in-district that choose Cov Cath over Beechwood and those are generally locked in at the First Grade when they choose Catholic Grade school over public. As for the others... As Guru has correctly pointed out many times, the biggest effect on the Beechwood Football program and kids choosing to go to CCH, Dixie or other schools is consistently losing games to them. This is especially the case with drawing the more talented out-of-district kids. Scheduling them is big and very important, but you have to beat them too.

 

My brother, you have a lot of hostility built up in there. I believe we are going to agree to disagree on this subject, but that is beauty of this kind of forum. You think there needs to be an upgrade to a program that you care deeply about, that's cool.

 

I'm still trying to find may way through this BGP forum, I am sure that I will have my share of mistakes, so bear with me. I started to study your forum views to help me better my "facts and stats". In your previous forums, besides Noel, I noticed you had some venom towards JD and Bob Meyerhoff. Then the light bulb went off, you are not anti-Noel but you are anti-Juggernaut.

 

I don't want to go Freud on you, but I think I am onto something here. You have been a part of this program for 50 years plus, you have seen more Beechwood football than the entire staff combined. Now, you look around and the Erlangians have taken over. Your past and present Baseball coaches are Juggernauts, teachers and advisors are Lloyd alum, if Jon Long is still coaching volleyball (idk), Keb just took over the MS program, heck, even your new superintendant is a Jugg. It is bad enough that they come down Dixie Highway to drink your beer and date the women, they also teach your children in the classroom and on the ball field. This may be why it is a touchy subject.

 

Being a founding father of Tiger nation, you should worry more about your basketball team rather than the football and baseball squads, there doing fine. Your varsity just hung a 21 spot up for the entire game. That is 5 less than Wardy averaged for you. I would call Noodles Delaney to see if he could fix your mess, unless you need to poach another Juggernaut, then see if Jimmy Foxx or Phil Rice are availble.

 

I have a solution to the problem, sell your overpaid real estate to a young couple who has promising future Tiger athletes. I would like to cordially invite you to the fine city of Union. They play 6A ball out here, sometimes it is good and sometimes it is not. The Union mafia will welcome you with open arms. They even produced a successful coup against their coach, it will be a perfect fit. We have clean air, low taxes, and plenty of trophy wives. More importantly, there are 2 beautiful golf courses and both of them actually have back nines!

 

I think a change of scenery may do good for you.

Edited February 11, 201412 yr by tark the shark

There have been more than that. I couldn't say exactly how many, but I can't imagine that it isn't EASILY in the double digits over the last decade. The Sam and Max Halpin pop to mind right off, but with Blessed Sacrament as a primary feeder parish of Cov Cath, it's pretty hard for me to imagine that there aren't more than that. I've got a framed picture of Cov Cath's '97 state championship team sitting on my desk, and I just glanced at it and counted 9 guys I grew up with in Fort Mitchell, not including myself.

 

Also, although I generally would have to agree with your point of view, OSD, I would be interested in seeing if tark the shark's point about Fort Mitchell being a "matured" community may or may not hold some water. I know that, among other things, the streets are shockingly bare when it comes to trick-or-treating in the neighborhood I grew up in. I can also tell you that when it comes to all of my "neighborhood friends", the parents of virtually every single one of them are still living in the same houses as they did when I was playing kick-the-can in their backyards when I was ten. I could drive down Burdsall, Pleasant Ridge, Thompson, Idaho, Highland, or Greenbriar and still identify a large number of the same families in the houses. I'd love to see some census info about the current Fort Mitchell demographic. I'd like to see some info on the attendees of the school as well.

 

 

Certainly Max and Sam and the Way (not Matthew) kid and others. But these are ones that weren't ever coming to Beechwood. Also, I can't remember if the actually live on the Ft. Mitchell or Ft. Wright side of the street No doubt, those are huge and we would kill to have talents like that. Max was definitely one of my Favorite Spartans and a tremendous player. Don't know Sam as well, but I can only assume. Didn't say they didn't exist, but they are not any more of a factor than they were in the 90's. This is not a new thing. As I said, we lose most of the Catholic Kids in the 1st Grade. We have lost a few to Cov Cath lately. This years senior class had 3 that were at BW and two of them were a big loss as far as I'm concerned. Matty Way and Evan Braun. They weren't Ft. Mitchell In-District kids, but they were in the school 6-8th grades. We should never lose those. I think that goes back to losing games to CCH.

 

All in all, whether Beechwood is a Mature community or not is not the point, It does not seem to translate to the enrollment numbers. At least not to the point that Sharkie is making. My guess is the average class enrollment for the 90's until now is single digit differences --if any at all. Also, the most important thing is IS this affecting Football numbers. That certainly doesn't proove-out at all.

 

I do appreciate your perspective CWB. Again, I do want to know the enrollment numbers and leave a little room for the possibility that I am wrong... Very Little, but there is some room.

 

'97 eh? Is Ryan Kendal on that team? Great kid then, great man now. I have to admit that even surprises me, but you are proving my point a bit. Nineties to now, there's just no difference in those parts of the equation. If if I'm wrong about the numbers, the situation is the same between 90's and now.

What team is defending back to back Class A Championships? Mayfield, that is who, and while I may not be the biggest Cardinal fan in the world, I respect their tradition and their coaching staff. Their fans are cool too, for the most part.

My brother, you have a lot of hostility built up in there. I believe we are going to agree to disagree on this subject, but that is beauty of this kind of forum. You think there needs to be an upgrade to a program that you care deeply about, that's cool.

 

I'm still trying to find may way through this BGP forum, I am sure that I will have my share of mistakes, so bear with me. I started to study your forum views to help me better my "facts and stats". In your previous forums, besides Noel, I noticed you had some venom towards JD and Bob Meyerhoff. Then the light bulb went off, you are not anti-Noel but you are anti-Juggernaut.

 

I don't want to go Freud on you, but I think I am onto something here. You have been a part of this program for 50 years plus, you have seen more Beechwood football than the entire staff combined. Now, you look around and the Erlangians have taken over. Your past and present Baseball coaches are Juggernauts, teachers and advisors are Lloyd alum, if Jon Long is still coaching volleyball (idk), Keb just took over the MS program, heck, even your new superintendant is a Jugg. It is bad enough that they come down Dixie Highway to drink your beer and the date the women, they also teach your children in the classroom and on the ball field. This may be why it is a touchy subject.

 

Being a founding father of Tiger nation, you should worry more about your basketball team rather than the football and baseball squads, there doing fine. Your varsity just hung a 21 spot up for the entire game. That is 5 less than Wardy averaged for you. I would call Noodles Delaney to see if he could fix your mess, unless you need to poach another Juggernaut, then see if Jimmy Foxx or Phil Rice are availble.

 

I have a solution to the problem, sell your overpaid real estate to a young couple who has promising future Tiger athletes. I would like to cordially invite you to the fine city of Union. They play 6A ball out here, sometimes it is good and sometimes it is not. The Union mafia will welcome you with open arms. They even produced a successful coup against their coach, it will be a perfect fit. We have clean air, low taxes, and plenty of trophy wives. More importantly, there are 2 beautiful golf courses and both of them actually have back nines!

 

I think a change of scenery may do you good for you.

 

C'mon brother. No hostility what-so-ever. I really thought it was a good back and forth. I would just like you to provide some numbers to back up your claims. Of course, it looks like CWB is helping you out a bit.

 

As for basketball. That's a shame. I'm excited for CCH and cheer for them, so it's not good to see you acting like that towards the Beechwood kids. Not good to gloat dude. My kids don't play basketball nor have any of my nieces or nephews. I go to a few games a year. I'm confident the new Coach will get them to a respectable level very quickly. Kids love him and he has clearly re-energized the program. The girls program on the other hand has experienced a 180 degree turnaround in the first season under the new coach.

 

If you want to continue this discussion, then create a new thread for the subject of "why beechwood is down". You can't seem to stop mixing in the Coach part of it. Which is something I haven't even commented on here. I am simply responding to your assertions about what is wrong with the Beechwood Football program.

'97 eh? Is Ryan Kendal on that team? Great kid then, great man now. I have to admit that even surprises me, but you are proving my point a bit. Nineties to now, there's just no difference in those parts of the equation. If if I'm wrong about the numbers, the situation is the same between 90's and now.

 

I literally grew up playing kick-the-can with Norb. We couldn't ever play in his backyard, though, because there were always too many lawnmowers back there for servicing. He's a great dude.

C'mon brother. No hostility what-so-ever. I really thought it was a good back and forth. I would just like you to provide some numbers to back up your claims. Of course, it looks like CWB is helping you out a bit.

 

As for basketball. That's a shame. I'm excited for CCH and cheer for them, so it's not good to see you acting like that towards the Beechwood kids. Not good to gloat dude. My kids don't play basketball nor have any of my nieces or nephews. I go to a few games a year. I'm confident the new Coach will get them to a respectable level very quickly. Kids love him and he has clearly re-energized the program. The girls program on the other hand has experienced a 180 degree turnaround in the first season under the new coach.

 

If you want to continue this discussion, then create a new thread for the subject of "why beechwood is down". You can't seem to stop mixing in the Coach part of it. Which is something I haven't even commented on here. I am simply responding to your assertions about what is wrong with the Beechwood Football program.

 

My brother, I had a blast with our back and forth. I look forward to future discussions. I'll start a thread when we get closer to football season, heck, I don't even know how to start one yet. The basketball side of things will hopefully work itself out. I know Goetz is a Holy Cross guy that has seem to put together a good staff. Is Mr Maile working with the girls program?

 

Lastly, I am not gloating and I am as far from a CCH man as you will find. I love to watch CVH play, I am a huge Bo Schuh fan, he has been a friend/mentor to my son, his younger brother Gunnar will be a very nice player also. He shoots just like his father did (ball on the side) and is a markesman like Mike.

 

Be good!

When Mayfield leaves 1A then Beechwood can run rough shod over 1A again, then the Tiger faithfull will say we left before they got good again. Like in the 90's before Mayfield and Danville joined 1A. Like I have said many times , Beechwood is a quality program but they would not have 11 titles if Mayfield or Danville had been in 1A with them. Mayfield choose to play up for many many years.

 

To bad we will never know if we would have won those titles or not!!! We beat the teams we had to beat to win all of those titles! See you in the fall!!

To bad we will never know if we would have won those titles or not!!! We beat the teams we had to beat to win all of those titles! See you in the fall!!

 

That you did.