May 23, 201214 yr It's very difficult to compare an AL manager's style to an NL manager's style. Torre was one of the few managers who would use his closer for 2 innings (or at least 1+ inning). I LOVE that, but that's much more difficult to do in the NLVery good point...
May 23, 201214 yr Finally, I think the Reds STILL intend for Chapman to crack the starting rotation this year (at least I hope so). I would love that, but I'm not so sure they're going to be able to now.
May 23, 201214 yr It's very difficult to compare an AL manager's style to an NL manager's style. Torre was one of the few managers who would use his closer for 2 innings (or at least 1+ inning). I LOVE that, but that's much more difficult to do in the NL. It is highly unlikely that Dusty would do this with Chapman for a multitude of reasons. Obviously, one reason is that the Reds are an NL team. Secondly, Dusty (and many on BGP) are concerned that Chapman cannot pitch on consecutive days. Applying that logic, it seems unlikely that Chapman would be available to pitch on a Wednesday after throwing 2 innings on Tuesday. There may be some exceptions (i.e. if he only threw 15 pitches on Tuesday), but generally speaking it seems logical that he'd be unavailable the following game. Third, you're trying to compare Mariano Rivera to Aroldis Chapman. #42 is one of the greatest relievers of all-time and relied primarily on a cutter as opposed to a 100+ mph fastball. Rivera is the type of pitcher whose stuff gets sharper the more frequently he is used (to an extent). Finally, I think the Reds STILL intend for Chapman to crack the starting rotation this year (at least I hope so). All of that, and you still missed the whole point. Why didn't Torre us him in the 7th inning when there were "more important outs" to get?
May 23, 201214 yr 2011 Yankees Mariano Rivera - Late & Close 183 PA 17 runs .229 BA HL- 139 ML - 43 LL - 51 David Robertson - Late & Close 179 PA 11 runs and .140 BA HL - 127 ML - 76 LL - 69
May 23, 201214 yr All of that, and you still missed the whole point. Why didn't Torre us him in the 7th inning when there were "more important outs" to get?Because baseball is a very stubborn sport...
May 23, 201214 yr All of that, and you still missed the whole point. Why didn't Torre us him in the 7th inning when there were "more important outs" to get? Maybe because the Yankees offense was so potent that 2-3 full innings was enough time to make up a few runs? Maybe because the Yankees did not have any other serviceable relievers in the bullpen? Unlike the Reds, who have Arredondo, Ondrusek, and Marshall who are all legitimate options. Maybe because Rivera's numbers drop off SIGNIFICANTLY after he throws his 45th pitch?
May 23, 201214 yr Maybe because the Yankees offense was so potent that 2-3 full innings was enough time to make up a few runs? Maybe because the Yankees did not have any other serviceable relievers in the bullpen? Unlike the Reds, who have Arredondo, Ondrusek, and Marshall who are all legitimate options. Maybe because Rivera's numbers drop off SIGNIFICANTLY after he throws his 45th pitch? They've had plenty of very good relievers to set up Rivera over the years. Why would he go over 45 pitches pitching just the 7th inning?
May 23, 201214 yr Dusty Baker seems ready to ditch Marshall plan and promote Chapman to closer Dusty Baker seems ready to ditch Marshall plan and promote Chapman to closer - CBSSports.com Great Article...
May 23, 201214 yr I read the article, and I'd swear that UKMF is one of the comments below the article.
May 23, 201214 yr I read the article, and I'd swear that UKMF is one of the comments below the article. These 2 made me laugh... "I don't know what the answer is.....sometimes a closer may have to pitch 4,5 ,6 days in a row if the team goes on a win streak ( granted not likely the Reds will win more than 2 in a row with this pathetic lineup)and in the past Chapman has lost velosity and struggled when he's had to pitch in multiple games in a row. Maybe we could put Chap in long relief situations to build up his pitch count and possibly by mid June he could make a start with a 60-70 pitch count and see how it goes from there." "P.S. Chapman has 1 save, 4 blow saves in the 5 save opportunities hes had in his career. Marshall is 8 or 9 this year in save tries and has a 21:3 K:BB in 2012." ^He then goes on to say...*Please do not mislead your audience Mr. Writer.:lol:
May 23, 201214 yr Maybe because the Yankees offense was so potent that 2-3 full innings was enough time to make up a few runs? Maybe because the Yankees did not have any other serviceable relievers in the bullpen? Unlike the Reds, who have Arredondo, Ondrusek, and Marshall who are all legitimate options. Maybe because Rivera's numbers drop off SIGNIFICANTLY after he throws his 45th pitch? This is fun I'll join in Maybe b/c the Yankees had the highest or one of the highest payrolls forever and they go pay other teams ex closers huge money to pitch those innings. Maybe b/c they had enough money to not need to find a way to get their best pitcher more innings as a starter like the Reds seemingly intend to do with Chapman. Maybe b/c if a starter for the Reds go down anytime soon the most likely replacement is Chapman and they might start working on extending him where the Yankees would most likely have just replaced said starter with a trade.
May 23, 201214 yr If closer and that mentality is so important why have teams with a lead going into the 9th inning won almost exactly the same percentage for over 100 years???
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