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Very well worded.:thumb:

Way off the top of my head: White Shadow Square Pegs Party of Five It's Like....You Know

Serious queston: How many of the shows listed were actually cancelled and how many just elected not to continue. 24, for instance, seems like it was pretty successful. Maybe it was pulled, but I'd have to think that was a mutual call.

Admittedly, having done no homework on this other than a few seconds of listening to ESPN (TV) and WLW. First tackle taken is coming off an ACL tear? During bowl season? He won't be ready to play this season, if correct. Second pick has some scratching their heads. Likely he's not ready to start this season. Seems to me, neither of these guys are a "this year" option.

On the bolded: If the cities I mentioned are among the largest in not only the country, but the world, it stands to reason they may affect more than just their metro area. (NYC, Chicago, LA.) DC is a stand alone area, so if the city is bad, well... Ohio has some really nice Quaker communities. It also has areas of Cleveland, Toledo, Akron, Youngstown, Cincinnati, and others that I'd rather be no part of. That, for my money, makes Ohio a bit more dangerous than say South Carolina. On the rest of your post, I guess you've got street cred. To me, there's a big difference between going into a "rough" neighborhood, and a deadly one.

Other have touched on some good points. My two cents: All these teams already have to play road games in conference. Not like they don't occasionally have a "hostile" environment to play in, if you think that makes them tougher. The NCAA tournament is played at neutral sites in arena's that get bigger at each stop. There's your blueprint (so to speak). Why not use it whenever possible? UK/IU became a huge home-and-home rivalry in a different era of college basketball. Almost all variables have changed since.

And I submit the 2011-12 regular season game. Made IU's season, and has pretty much kept the program relevant since. Without this game, Crean is likely gone by now. It was kind of a big deal for IU.

I'm not sure what the many people who are complaining about a lack of action in this fight thought they were going to see. Mayweather suddenly become a brawler? Two guys standing toe-to-toe slugging it out? Pak somehow being able to hit the unhittable? This fight was Mayweather's career in a nutshell. Never gets hit, dances all night, and throws (and lands) enough counters to either get the other guy in trouble or just cruise to a decision. Nothing to see here folks, much ado about nothing. My only complaint is to the ESPN guys who fed the promotion machine for weeks, only to have their Sportscenter anchors finally tell the truth once the fight started. I tuned in to catch postgame stuff from the NBA game, but when the anchors mentioned the fight one even said (paraphrasing but only slightly) "I don't get the hype for this fight, not very exciting." The other concurred. That opinion would have never made the air a week ago, and whoever said it would have been working in Winnipeg a few days later.

So, so sad. I really hate to hear things like this for the kids and their families. Such a terrible accident. On the bolded: This 1000 times over. Regardless of age or how long you've been driving, where you are sitting, distance of your trip, or how many times you've made the trip before, this 1000 times over.

I looked at all the stats involved in said article. As I noted in my first post, I think numbers (methodology) can be skewed to show whatever you want. I disagree with the premise.

You're right, and I'm the most guilty poster of this. I think the two are correlated. If you have some of the most dangerous cities in the country, seems to me the said state would fall in the dangerous category.

Maybe it's me, but I am drawing a blank on a lot of the names mentioned. The word "famous" was included in the thread title right?:idunno:

Well then, here's your winner. About as famous as you get, and I doubt any of the rest of us ever caught them live (or were alive when there was a chance to catch them.)

I'll play along though, frankly, you're boring me. First bolded: So you admit you have a problem with other sports and multiple sport athletes doing what's in their best interest? You certainly seem to have a football at all costs mentality. How's that best for the actual player? Second bolded: The state gave football Spring practice, flex scheduling, varying playoff formats, and finally 6 classes. The state has been pumping new life into football for 15 years. Third bolded: I'd go easy on that statement. Soccer puts 11 kids on the field at a time, and also obviously has subs regularly. Baseball has nine, plus a possible AH to bring it to 10. With pinch hitters, pinch runners, alternate runners, and relief pitchers, a lot of kids can play in a game. Track has a ton of events, including relays. Guessing a lot of kids get to compete at a typical track meet. Last bolded: See second bolded.

Seems we all agree Memphis has earned what we're giving it. I'd throw New Orleans right there as dangerous places as well. Seems wherever you are in the city you are only a block or so (one misstep) from being in a bad place.

I get your premise, and agree that bad things can happen in a lot of places. I disagree on how likely you are to fall into peril in the cities you mentioned as compared to the ones I listed. For the record, there are no good neighborhoods in the south side of Chicago, the Bronx, or say Compton. DC proper has to be right up on this list as well. Detroit is a big metro area, I'm sure there are some nice neighborhoods in the metro. I've never been there, but from the crime and urban decay docs I've seen, there are plenty of places I don't think the cops even feel safe. Two quick stories, and I'm not normally one to be overly worried in most situations. Went to a White Sox game the year they opened the then "New Comisky" park. HAD to get gas after the game and thus had to spend a few minutes looking for and pumping gas on the South Side. It was Fourth of July and instead of setting off fireworks, residents were just burning things in the street. Missed the interstate ramp, and ended up in the projects you see from the Dan Ryan. Only time in my life I disregarded all laws, did a U-Turn against the light and got out of dodge. Figured if I got pulled over I'd be safer. Part of a group that won a trip to DC. When we check in, the staff tell us not to leave the building alone, ever. And, not to walk the streets at night, even as a group. Sponsor of our trip had scheduled a dinner for us the first night at a place a few blocks away with no transportation. Thus, we walked. Interesting 10 minutes, but no harm.

Graphs one and two certainly tell me more about what AllTell and Builder spoke of as far as a rift between football and basketball coaches. What a shame. Do you agree? You sure seem to have a chip on your shoulder for some reason. On the last graph, football is unique in several ways. One of which is SIX classes which means a SIX times greater chance of being a state champion than most other sports (all other sports except track and cross country).

Excellent synopsis. And I totally get your point of view, and see where you are coming from as far as adults not getting along. On the latter, I think that's a shame. On the former, we're going to end up with a different perspective (though you may be as correct as I). On the bolded, from the get go. It's a basketball game in June, or a football arena game in June, neither mean anything other than player development. Just because another school is involved should not make this a bigger deal to the "adults" involved. It's off-season, not a "game." On the rest of the bolded, based on what I know and what info you and others have provided; it's my assumption that just stopping outside competition wasn't stopping the battle over players commitment.

Okay. But you bolded part of my post on the subject and never really gave an answer to how to solve it. State can't mandate it, state can't pay for it. What's the state to do? I'll read your reply, but at this point I think we're drifting away from the starting point of the thread. This wasn't a concussion thread, and I offered much more in the thread you quoted than just this pigeon hole.

Not even the same stratosphere. You did see the cities I listed, correct? Granted Memphis is pretty much a sewer with about 10,000 places to have a bad day, but it's worst areas aren't going to be as dangerous as the places I listed. As for East Nashville and North Charleston, when you have to start using directionals in front of city names that's hardly an indictment of the entire urban area. You want to spend a week in East Nashville or south Chicago, Compton, the Bronx, most anyplace metro DC, and same with Detroit? I can get mugged most anywhere, but I know pretty good and well that it's more likely to happen in East St. Louis, Boston, Philly, Miami, than North Charleston. I don't need wallet.hub to tell me that.

I appreciate both of your posts. I think both have some flaws, but I do appreciate your passion. That said, let me make sure everyone understands, I have no problem with 7 on 7 in June. I posted simply to give my take on what was happening (via the state rules). Nothing more. That's what the thread was mostly about, from my perception. I am more than a little surprised by what seems like a rift between football and basketball, and the adults that coach each. I come to this conclusion based on the number of posts about basketball in this thread, and the posts that mention adults not being able to get along. If true, that's a real shame.

My interpretation of the "spirit of the rule" part kind of makes me still think the state wanted them to go away. That's why I figured they removed helmets from the equation in June. I think the state expected they took steps to alleviate the "adults" part of the equation earlier, and some of the "adults" were still requiring participation for 7 on 7 within the team. Thus, futher action was taken. I'm honestly a little puzzled about the "adults cannot get along" stuff in your posts (and I have read them). I don't doubt this has happened, but can you make this a bit more relate-able for me. Maybe explain it to me like I'm a third grader.

All competition against outside schools.

On the bolded, that's the best you can do? Figured you to be better than that. Next graph, what you call the injury de jour, I call very serious issues. I read your post and assume you are brushing them off as "much ado about nothing." We all know they are real, important, issues that need to be handled. I assume you agree, and just didn't say so in your post. Second bolded, I agree on all points. Nothing in the rule change would have prevented it (except common sense); It wouldn't have been smart to have 7 on 7 under this rule; there would have been coaches doing it anyway. I don't care in the least if there is 7 on 7, but the fact that we both know they would happen without helmets is concerning to me, and I assume you as well? Last graph is also concerning. My assumption is the state doesn't want to mandate it because it will A) force them to fund it in some manner, or B) cause many schools who just can't afford a trainer every day to drop football. If either assumption is correct, I think it is a poor excuse for not having a trainer on hand. But, I do agree a trainer should be there every day. My assumption was that if schools were serious about football, those in charge were smart enough to know this should go along with that commitment. Lastly, the guy who lives at the end of your street and his wife are having one hell of a screaming match one day. Things are heated, and neighbors can hear it. The guy leaves and walks up the street, where, as it happens, some of his other family live. Later that evening, you see the guy walking back toward his house, but now carrying a rifle. Are you going to pick up the phone, or is that an just an assumption on your part? Moral, we all make assumptions/deductions/guesses based on the information we have.

Poorly conceived list, people do funny things with numbers. What's wallet.hub anyway? I didn't notice any murder rates or even rates of violent crime per capita on their stat line. May have missed it though. This much I know: I'll take my chances spending a week in any city in South Carolina, Tennesse, or a couple other states on the list than I would in LA, Chicago, NYC, D.C., or Detroit.