http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/sports/ncaafootball/aftermath-of-1998-sandusky-investigation-raises-additional-questions.html

I can't agree with that. I believe that the decisions were made with mind and fear. Paterno did what he had to legally, but I am not convinced that he did all he should have. If you ask me, everyone involved should get the ax. As this whole thing unfolds, I don't believe that the disturbing information is over; it's going to be coming for some time.

 

We are not talking about matters that are even close to the level that many college programs have gotten in to trouble over. We are talking about the sexual abuse of kids, and chances are that this went on with plenty more than were reported. An example had to be made and I am glad that it was. I don't care about how long someone has been with a program or its prestige; when something this harsh takes place, harsh consequences need to be served.

I disagree. He should have a legal and moral obligation to report the incident to the police immediately. He was a state employee with children under his care.

Yes, EVERYONE knows who runs the show there. EVERYONE. It's not even close to saying Cal runs UK. Get back to me in 40 years when Cal is still the coach, and then we can talk. That's an awful comparison.

 

He said he reported it, and that was it.

 

What's absolutely ridiculous is people are actually defending him.

 

Of course, using your logic, if someone told you that they had seen your child being molested, you wouldn't go to the police, because it was hearsay. Anything short of not going to the police is dispicable.

 

:thumb: I don't see why anyone is defending Joe Pa here. I do think that too much attention has been focused on Joe Pa, and I don't necessarily think he needs to go to jail. But even he agrees he should have done more. That's the easiest thing in the world to see. A little boy was raped, and he basically told his boss...who ignored it. And then both later allowed Sanduscky to repeatedly come back to the campus where he had already molested several other victims.

^HT, Try explaining that to the victims families Joe saw on PSU campus with Sandusky after 2002.

 

You really have no problem with him allowing Sandusky to have children with him on the campus AFTER the GA reported to seeing him sodimize a 10 year in the shower?

:thumb: I don't see why anyone is defending Joe Pa here. I do think that too much attention has been focused on Joe Pa, and I don't necessarily think he needs to go to jail. But even he agrees he should have done more. That's the easiest thing in the world to see. A little boy was raped, and he basically told his boss...who ignored it. And then both later allowed Sanduscky to repeatedly come back to the campus where he had already molested several other victims.

 

Joe Pa is at best the 6th or 7th person down the ladder that should have done more. 1. The DA who had a taped confession 2. The parents who just let the DA drop the case when they had a taped confession in 98 3. The police officers who helped get the taped confession 4. The graduate assistant who ACTUALLY SAW THE CRIME 5. The Presidents who ignored what Joe Pa reported from the GA. I could keep going but everyone is just looking for someone to blame and lynch and Joe Pa is the person they've picked.

^HT, Try explaining that to the victims families Joe saw on PSU campus with Sandusky after 2002.

 

You really have no problem with him allowing Sandusky to have children with him on the campus AFTER the GA reported to seeing him sodimize a 10 year in the shower?

 

Why weren't the victims families doing more? See my list there are a half dozen people more culpable than Joe Pa in this. Like I said this is lynch mob mentality. People are angry and need someone to blame.

I take what Kirk Herbsteit says as gold (half joking) but he thinks the right decision was made.

No. There were mobs of angry people outside...

 

If this is in reply to my post, that would be considered a good reason why they called him instead of brought him in.

Weak on their part. It should've been face to face, no question.

 

I'm sure they had good reason to why they did it that way.

 

If this is in reply to my post, that would be considered a good reason why they called him instead of brought him in.

 

When somone asked the trustee in the conference, he alluded to his being the reason. If I remember right he basically said that they thought a phone call would be best considering the circumstances, which I took to be the safety of individuals do to the crowds.

Few things...

 

1) Joe Pa is not the fall guy as many people are portraying. He is one of many dominoes in the chain of command that are falling.

2) He is also the figurehead of that University. He is the Monarch of Happy Valley and embraced as such. While his fall from grace is the largest and most public, he is also the largest and most public figure at that institution for 60+ years. It comes with the territory. I get caught with crack, nobody cares and it receives no coverage. If Madonna does it, it is front page news. It is the cost of being that large of a figure. If he cannot understand or accept that, he should have resigned years back.

3) Joe's punishment in all of this is serving a two game suspension, public shame, and not being able to leave on his own terms. For his role in all of this (or lack-there-of), many would say that is more than fair.

4) I cannot relate to how horrified the GA must have been witnessing the act. I am not going to judge on whether he should have immediately called the police, tackled the guy or whatever. How it was all handled from those few moments following an onward was strictly to protect the institution. To believe otherwise is naive.

5) Greenie summed it up best when making the analogy with A Few Good Men. When the Marines were acquitted of Murder, but were then dishonorably discharged. The one Marine was confused as to why, and Harold explained that they were supposed to fight for Santiago. They were supposed to protect against those who could not be protected. They followed "protocol", but it was not enough and they were not fulfilling their moral obligation to the Marines.

Seems as though a lot of people are upset and feel it was disrespect not for JoePa to be told in person about his firing. Apparently the board of trustees did it over the phone.

 

Does that bother anyone?

 

Cowards

Why weren't the victims families doing more? See my list there are a half dozen people more culpable than Joe Pa in this. Like I said this is lynch mob mentality. People are angry and need someone to blame.

If you want the biggest seat at the table, be prepared to take what comes along with it.

Few things...

 

1) Joe Pa is not the fall guy as many people are portraying. He is one of many dominoes in the chain of command that are falling.

2) He is also the figurehead of that University. He is the Monarch of Happy Valley and embraced as such. While his fall from grace is the largest and most public, he is also the largest and most public figure at that institution for 60+ years. It comes with the territory. I get caught with crack, nobody cares and it receives no coverage. If Madonna does it, it is front page news. It is the cost of being that large of a figure. If he cannot understand or accept that, he should have resigned years back.

3) Joe's punishment in all of this is serving a two game suspension, public shame, and not being able to leave on his own terms. For his role in all of this (or lack-there-of), many would say that is more than fair.

4) I cannot relate to how horrified the GA must have been witnessing the act. I am not going to judge on whether he should have immediately called the police, tackled the guy or whatever. How it was all handled from those few moments following an onward was strictly to protect the institution. To believe otherwise is naive.

5) Greenie summed it up best when making the analogy with A Few Good Men. When the Marines were acquitted of Murder, but were then dishonorably discharged. The one Marine was confused as to why, and Harold explained that they were supposed to fight for Santiago. They were supposed to protect against those who could not be protected. They followed "protocol", but it was not enough and they were not fulfilling their moral obligation to the Marines.

 

If you don't think Joe Pa is the fall guy show me one article calling for the heads of any of the first 4 people I listed above. I've yet to see one, and the former GA still has his job coaching. He is the one that actually saw something.

Since Joe hasn't spoken, and the Board hasn't spoken, and all we know is that there was a 2002 investigation in which Joe DID make a report to the police, what FACTS are you all basing your allegation that he "failed to report" something, other than the media's rampant suggestion of same? Even the prosecutors have only made veiled suggestion of it. If they had something more, wouldn't he have been indcited as well? Where is your source, other than mere speculation?

 

Where does it say he reported it to the police? Only thing I saw on the grand jury testimony was that he told Tim Curley.

Joe Pa is at best the 6th or 7th person down the ladder that should have done more. 1. The DA who had a taped confession 2. The parents who just let the DA drop the case when they had a taped confession in 98 3. The police officers who helped get the taped confession 4. The graduate assistant who ACTUALLY SAW THE CRIME 5. The Presidents who ignored what Joe Pa reported from the GA. I could keep going but everyone is just looking for someone to blame and lynch and Joe Pa is the person they've picked.

 

The DA should have done more. But after he declined prosecution he went missing and was later declared dead, so we can't ask him any questions.

 

The parents, really don't have a say whether or not the DA drops the case. Neither do the police officers. The police officers did the investigation and took it to the prosecutor who declined prosecution. They did all they could do.

 

I agree that the Grad Assistant should have done more, as could the people Joe Pa reported it to. However the people Joe Pa reported it to are being punished. The GA and JoePa may have done everything legally, but they could have done more to help that victim, and future victims. They basically did nothing when it all comes down to it. They reported it to their superior and then forgot about it.