I just hope whoever they hire as the head coach will finally play Highlands in a full scrimmage.

Its almost 2006 so what's the latest on the opening?

School has been out on break, so no new revelations. Applications will be taken until Friday, Jan. 6, so I suppose the committee will meet that next week and review all the resumes. Anybody heard who's applied? Long or short list?

I think the principal should step down from this process and appoint another FOOTBALL person to the committee given all the things that have come out recently. He should get the committees final recomendation but not be involved in the search itself. I hope the committee members realize the responsibility they have accepted.

 

What role does the AD play in this process? Seems crazy not to have him on the search committee.

 

 

 

Miller will have his nose right in the middle.

Miller will have his nose right in the middle.

 

I don't want to be involved in this conversation--but I will help with some basic information:

 

In a public or independent school system--the PRINCIPAL is ultimately responsible for the hiring/firing of school personnel. I understand where Z5 is coming from--but it isn't realistic for the principal to take his self out of the running (especially since there is not a conflict of interest). The superintendent can not even force the principal to step out of the process unless there is a direct relational reason.

 

However, if the AD is going for the job (as most have said)--he is a person who would normally be involved in the hiring process (on an opinion level only) who should/would/could disqualify their selves from being part of the "committee" (I am sure that he has if he is really going for the job).

 

But remember--the principal is the hiring party. Not the superintendent or anyone else. He doesn't even have to take the "committee's" opinion into account if he chooses not to (it probably wouldn't look so good if he didn't listen to their recommedation). But ultimately--he decides--and no one else.

I don't want to be involved in this conversation--but I will help with some basic information:

 

In a public or independent school system--the PRINCIPAL is ultimately responsible for the hiring/firing of school personnel. I understand where Z5 is coming from--but it isn't realistic for the principal to take his self out of the running (especially since there is not a conflict of interest). The superintendent can not even force the principal to step out of the process unless there is a direct relational reason.

 

However, if the AD is going for the job (as most have said)--he is a person who would normally be involved in the hiring process (on an opinion level only) who should/would/could disqualify their selves from being part of the "committee" (I am sure that he has if he is really going for the job).

 

But remember--the principal is the hiring party. Not the superintendent or anyone else. He doesn't even have to take the "committee's" opinion into account if he chooses not to (it probably wouldn't look so good if he didn't listen to their recommedation). But ultimately--he decides--and no one else.

 

What roll does the SBDM Committee have in this decision. It is my understanding that they do have a roll in the hiring of coaches.

What roll does the SBDM Committee have in this decision. It is my understanding that they do have a roll in the hiring of coaches.

 

 

I could be wrong (but I am pretty sure that I am right--because I have recently seen this one in action at another school), but I am pretty sure that SBDM has zero say in regard to the hiring/firing of coaches. (This could also depend on the school/school system). In regard to the 2 that I am familiar with--they have no official say).

 

SBDM has more of a voice in the academic direction of the school as opposed to athletic direction. (Again--this is just based on my past involvement with 2 different school districts).

 

For instance, at a certain school (in the past few years), there was a search for a basketball coach. A "committee" was formed to interview the final applicants (with contained no members of the SBDM team). The committee consisted of the AD, an assistant football coach, the former boys basketball coach, the retiring coach, a local law enforcement person, an assistant coach from one of the other school teams and a "non-affected" parent.

 

The committee narrowed the list to 2 different candidates. The principal consulted with the AD to decide between the 2 for the final decision. But ultimately (and the AD is very clear about this)--the principal made the final decision.

 

The same position was recently opened. Instead of forming a committee, the principal interviewed all applicants and made the final decision completely on his own.

 

Again--I am sure that there are numerous factors that could affect situations like this. I am sure that there are some SBDM's teams that have input into the process. But in this case, it doesn't.

 

On a different note (but still the same)--I am glad that neither of these 2 schools let the SBDM team have a say in who becomes a coach at there schools. That would be entirely the wrong group of people to make that type of decision. That isn't meant as an insult--but there mission is supposed to be different (or at least--that is my understanding).

I could be wrong (but I am pretty sure that I am right--because I have recently seen this one in action at another school), but I am pretty sure that SBDM has zero say in regard to the hiring/firing of coaches. (This could also depend on the school/school system). In regard to the 2 that I am familiar with--they have no official say).

 

SBDM has more of a voice in the academic direction of the school as opposed to athletic direction. (Again--this is just based on my past involvement with 2 different school districts).

 

For instance, at a certain school (in the past few years), there was a search for a basketball coach. A "committee" was formed to interview the final applicants (with contained no members of the SBDM team). The committee consisted of the AD, an assistant football coach, the former boys basketball coach, the retiring coach, a local law enforcement person, an assistant coach from one of the other school teams and a "non-affected" parent.

 

The committee narrowed the list to 2 different candidates. The principal consulted with the AD to decide between the 2 for the final decision. But ultimately (and the AD is very clear about this)--the principal made the final decision.

 

The same position was recently opened. Instead of forming a committee, the principal interviewed all applicants and made the final decision completely on his own.

 

Again--I am sure that there are numerous factors that could affect situations like this. I am sure that there are some SBDM's teams that have input into the process. But in this case, it doesn't.

 

On a different note (but still the same)--I am glad that neither of these 2 schools let the SBDM team have a say in who becomes a coach at there schools. That would be entirely the wrong group of people to make that type of decision. That isn't meant as an insult--but there mission is supposed to be different (or at least--that is my understanding).

 

I believe that SBDM's are allowed some input and/or are made aware of how the process is progressing. I also believe that if they wish they can be a part of the interview process if they so wish. Last year at the school I'm familar with a basketball head coaching position became open. Interviews were conducted by the AD and the Principal and they made a recommendation to the SBDM of which a majority on the SBDM supported and it was forwarded on to the Board of Education. I believe the SBDM has every right to at least have someone participate in the process as much as people who would be chosen for a Search Committee. At least the parent members on the SBDM were voted on by other parents to represent them and the teachers on the SBDM were elected by fellow teachers. Personally I'm not sure how I feel about parents who have a player who participates in a particular sport be allowed to be on a Search Committee to hire a coach for that sport. Just my opinion and I know most probably wouldn't agree. Just would like to see an unbiased choice made, or as unbiased as possible.

I believe that SBDM's are allowed some input and/or are made aware of how the process is progressing. I also believe that if they wish they can be a part of the interview process if they so wish. Last year at the school I'm familar with a basketball head coaching position became open. Interviews were conducted by the AD and the Principal and they made a recommendation to the SBDM of which a majority on the SBDM supported and it was forwarded on to the Board of Education. I believe the SBDM has every right to at least have someone participate in the process as much as people who would be chosen for a Search Committee. At least the parent members on the SBDM were voted on by other parents to represent them and the teachers on the SBDM were elected by fellow teachers. Personally I'm not sure how I feel about parents who have a player who participates in a particular sport be allowed to be on a Search Committee to hire a coach for that sport. Just my opinion and I know most probably wouldn't agree. Just would like to see an unbiased choice made, or as unbiased as possible.

 

Fair enough. I made a call this afternoon to see what is up with SBDM. The word that I received is that is can be/or is different based on the school system. (Which makes sense in this case). I tend to trust my "source", but that doesn't mean that they are 100% correct--just their interpetation.

 

Either way--we are in agreement. The process needs to be fair/consistent.

Fair enough. I made a call this afternoon to see what is up with SBDM. The word that I received is that is can be/or is different based on the school system. (Which makes sense in this case). I tend to trust my "source", but that doesn't mean that they are 100% correct--just their interpetation.

 

Either way--we are in agreement. The process needs to be fair/consistent.

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Shouldn't the SBDM have a say since they are hiring a teacher who is a coach? Isn't education the first priority of the school. Now in my opinion, a good coach is almost always a good teacher. But I think that there does need to be some input from the academic side.

It is a huge responsibility, and I am sure that no one, including the principal, wants to make that choice alone. The committee was formed for a reason, and I am sure each member will be very involved and each opinion carefully weighed.

 

This will not be decided quickly or be taken lightly by anyone involved. They are all good people who, like the rest of us, want what is best for the team and the school. For better or worse, it is probably the most watched and talked about hiring in several years at Beechwood.

Would Beechwood fans welcome Eckstein ? What about Ludlow's coach?

I believe that SBDM's are allowed some input and/or are made aware of how the process is progressing. I also believe that if they wish they can be a part of the interview process if they so wish. Last year at the school I'm familar with a basketball head coaching position became open. Interviews were conducted by the AD and the Principal and they made a recommendation to the SBDM of which a majority on the SBDM supported and it was forwarded on to the Board of Education. I believe the SBDM has every right to at least have someone participate in the process as much as people who would be chosen for a Search Committee. At least the parent members on the SBDM were voted on by other parents to represent them and the teachers on the SBDM were elected by fellow teachers. Personally I'm not sure how I feel about parents who have a player who participates in a particular sport be allowed to be on a Search Committee to hire a coach for that sport. Just my opinion and I know most probably wouldn't agree. Just would like to see an unbiased choice made, or as unbiased as possible.

 

 

As I read the statutes, the principal has "the final say" in filling all vacancies at his/her school after consultation with the SBDM. Consultation however does not give them any veto power over the princial's choice however. So at the end of the day, if the principal wants a specific person and doesn't mind catching a little flack from the SBDM, he/she can hire whom he/she wants to and be done with it. Maybe not the smartest thing to do and still get along with the SBDM, but lots of people reguarly don't do the smart thing. Not in anyway saying that this is what Beechwood's principal is going to do however.

As I read the statutes, the principal has "the final say" in filling all vacancies at his/her school after consultation with the SBDM. Consultation however does not give them any veto power over the princial's choice however. So at the end of the day, if the principal wants a specific person and doesn't mind catching a little flack from the SBDM, he/she can hire whom he/she wants to and be done with it. Maybe not the smartest thing to do and still get along with the SBDM, but lots of people reguarly don't do the smart thing. Not in anyway saying that this is what Beechwood's principal is going to do however.

:thumb: This is pretty much the way I understand it to be. Thanks