Don't kid yourselves. If Trinity decided, tomorrow, to limit enrollment to 500, we would still dominate.

 

Ah, but would you dominate the schools with 2-3 times your enrollment? Probably not.

Football has always been a numbers game simply because you have to have more players to field and compete. Baseball and Basketball require fewer numbers and that's why smaller schools compete so well against bigger schools in those sports.

 

By the same token though with such a massive enrollment figure we should have more talented players to choose from in those sports.

Ah, but would you dominate the schools with 2-3 times your enrollment? Probably not.

 

Why do you say probably not? If one could do it, why couldn't another?

Why is enrollment the only ingredient in what classification teams are in?

 

Because it is the only thing that you can look at and quantify across the board. You can't classify according to success because for some programs that varies year to year, if you are going to classify you need a constant. That constant is enrollment.

 

I honestly think that if you want true competitive balance you need to be willing to move teams around according to success in order to keep the cream of the crop together. I certainly would like to see something like that. I would much rather have a class that includes Highlands, Trinity, St.X, Male, Boyle, Danville, Mayfield, Central and any other perennial title holder. I think that would be a much more competitive class with much more exciting games that would truly take the competition to a level we have not seen in Kentucky. I almost wonder sometimes if it would be beneficial for us to go to a playoff system like Ohio, that way every game matters.

 

Sorry, that rambled a bit, my mind jumped from topic to topic.

I do believe that size matters. I also believe location (as alluded to by another thread) matters. So, even if Trinity & X didn't exist, the large majority of those students would likely be at other schools in the Jefferson County area. Given the many different reasons people choose Trinity & X, I think the most logical hypothesis is that they'd be at Male, Manual, Ballard, possibly Eastern. If we're allowed to still have private schools in this mythical world, I think that DeSales and Holy Cross would likely benefit from a no Trinity/X scenario. Of the minority that wouldn't be in Jefferson County schools, I'd say that most of the other students would be in Oldham Co schools. Maybe a few in Shelby, and a few in Bullitt.

 

Just my hypothesis, and my conclusion that the largest class would still be dominated by Jefferson County Schools, and possibly that some of the smaller schools would be better, and thus be more of a factor in the 5A, 4A scenarios.

 

I agree with that entirely.

Does anyone know the all time W/L/T numbers for the following schools?

 

Beechwood

Boyle County

Covington Catholic

Lynch

Breathitt County

Paris

Corbin

Bell County

Fort Knox

Pikeville

Belfry

Franklin Simpson

Bellevue

Christian County

Russellville

Since it's a slow day, would you mind doing the same but putting into consideration some weight of all time wins/losses so that it kind of evens out for championship stats alone? I'm in the camp that championships alone do not necessarily mean overall greatness.

 

Although I’m still trying to gather some of the win-loss data, that regardless of how you weigh the criteria and after adding in total wins and winning percentage the top three always rank the same:

 

1. Highlands

2. Trinity

3. St. Xavier

By the same token though with such a massive enrollment figure we should have more talented players to choose from in those sports.

 

You should, but even then, schools that are not as deep can compete easier in those sports if they have enough talent at the top. Football is totally different since it's much more a war of attrition.

Does anyone know the all time W/L/T numbers for the following schools?

 

Christian County

 

279-269-7. They've only had six double digit win seasons.

Ah, but would you dominate the schools with 2-3 times your enrollment? Probably not.

We've beaten schools bigger than us, and lost to those smaller than us. I don't think about it. I think about the wins, coaching, the game in general....I don't care how many males a school has. It has no impact to me.

I honestly think that if you want true competitive balance you need to be willing to move teams around according to success in order to keep the cream of the crop together. I certainly would like to see something like that. I would much rather have a class that includes Highlands, Trinity, St.X, Male, Boyle, Danville, Mayfield, Central and any other perennial title holder. I think that would be a much more competitive class with much more exciting games that would truly take the competition to a level we have not seen in Kentucky.

What would that accomplish? Does anyone really think that Danville, Mayfield and Central could routinely compete with Trinity and St. Xavier?

 

Why should we penalize a great small-school program for their success and ask them to have to compete in the same class with those teams?

What would that accomplish? Does anyone really think that Danville, Mayfield and Central could routinely compete with Trinity and St. Xavier?

 

Why should we penalize a great small-school program for their success and ask them to have to compete in the same class with those teams?

 

I can't speak for Mayfield or Central but I don't not think Danville could routinely compete with the Big 3. They have lost 9 of their last 12 to Boyle County.

What would that accomplish? Does anyone really think that Danville, Mayfield and Central could routinely compete with Trinity and St. Xavier?

 

Why should we penalize a great small-school program for their success and ask them to have to compete in the same class with those teams?

 

It would accomplish about the same thing as mentioning enrollment disparity as soon as anyone tries to say that Trinity has done anything noteworthy, absolutely nothing.

 

The way you talk sometimes westsider you would think that all we need to do to build a program is simply to have 3,000 guys in the school and pick some random schmuck off the street and we would instantly be a title contender. I am sure you will disagree but your tone always has a hint of diminishing our accomplishments.

 

Understandably some of our fans have an obnoxious and ridiculously condescending tone towards other programs and their accomplishments. Often times they serve little purpose than to troll around on the board and puff their chest about how awesome Trinity is at a moment's notice. I understand the desire to knock them down a peg, believe me I do. Much like UK fans we have our group that makes the rest of us groan.

 

I admit we have an enrollment advantage over everyone except St. X and to a lesser extent Dunbar and Henderson (provided their numbers are still above the 2,000 mark). Given that and our tradition the odds will be in our favor most of the time against in state opponents. The question I pose then is how do schools with lesser enrollments that we play from our of state always seem to give us a run for our money? Enrollment is important but it is not everything. Elder and Cincy X both have fewer boys than Trinity and we aren't known for dominating them. MBA has fewer boys than we do and yet they still have a 3-1 edge on us.

 

Enrollment is important but the way people talk on here you would think that any 6A program should regularly demolish competition from the other classes and yet they don't more often than not from what I see on here.

 

Enrollment in addition to commitment and coaching makes for a nearly unassailable advantage, I acknowledge that. I daresay though that without the last two parts of it he equation it counts for little.

It would accomplish about the same thing as mentioning enrollment disparity as soon as anyone tries to say that Trinity has done anything noteworthy, absolutely nothing.

 

The way you talk sometimes westsider you would think that all we need to do to build a program is simply to have 3,000 guys in the school and pick some random schmuck off the street and we would instantly be a title contender. I am sure you will disagree but your tone always has a hint of diminishing our accomplishments.

No one is denigrating Trinity's accomplishments. I'm simply stating that its enrollment advantage over all but one of its competitors is significant.

 

The question I pose then is how do schools with lesser enrollments that we play from our of state always seem to give us a run for our money? Enrollment is important but it is not everything. Elder and Cincy X both have fewer boys than Trinity and we aren't known for dominating them. MBA has fewer boys than we do and yet they still have a 3-1 edge on us.

Two possible reasons: those schools are from Ohio and Tennessee, which are more football-centric states, and those schools are used to playing Trinity-like competition on a regular basis.

 

Enrollment is important but the way people talk on here you would think that any 6A program should regularly demolish competition from the other classes and yet they don't more often than not from what I see on here.

I've never said that ... I acknowledge that Trinity has tradition and quality coaching. No one here denies that. It simply accentuates the numbers advantage it already enjoys.

No one is denigrating Trinity's accomplishments. I'm simply stating that its enrollment advantage over all but one of its competitors is significant.

 

 

Two possible reasons: those schools are from Ohio and Tennessee, which are more football-centric states, and those schools are used to playing Trinity-like competition on a regular basis.

 

 

I've never said that ... I acknowledge that Trinity has tradition and quality coaching. No one here denies that. It simply accentuates the numbers advantage it already enjoys.

 

I was just wanting to hear you acknowledge something other than numbers, because the first thing we always hear from you is enrollment advantage. Glad I was able to coax it out of you. :banana: