You are every bit as guilty with your assumption as are those that criticize police as a group that abuses their power.

 

I used to be a substitute teacher, too, before I went full time. HUGE DIFFERENCE! As a substitute I DID have nights, weekends and summers off. As a regular teacher, not so much.

 

As far as I know, no teacher is asking you to feel sorry for them. I don't know if Football Addict is a teacher or not, but I am sure he/she can speak for themselves.

 

 

No, I'm not every bit as guilty because it's two VERY different things.

 

And I'm not making assumptions. I am friends with several teachers, and some family members are teachers as well. There's no way around it...teachers are off for the entire summer. Of course some have to go on and get their masters, but that's part of the job. A lot of jobs require extra training, whether it's college or some other form. Most of them don't come with 2-3 months off, plus every holiday off, plus a spring break, plus (possibly) a fall break, and a Christmas Break to throw in. Not to mention vacation days, sick days, personal days...

 

And I don't want to come off that I disagree with teachers getting these days off. I'm completely okay with it. I don't really care. However, I also don't agree with any teacher complaining about having to stay a few extra days during the summer, or having to work an hour or so after school. Most people have to do those things, without all of the perks teachers get.

 

And I know no teacher is asking me to feel sorry for them. I never said they were. I responded to the first post of this thread, which had the comment

I think this is just ridiculous to require teachers to come back. Anybody with me??

 

My response was simply to point out that, no, I am not with you. :lol:

No, I'm not every bit as guilty because it's two VERY different things.

 

And I'm not making assumptions. There's no way around it...teachers are off for the entire summer

 

You are making an assumption. An inaccurate one at that. I've shown you in a quote above an example. Teachers do not get the entire summer off.

 

There's no way around it...teachers are off for the entire summer. Of course some have to go on and get their masters, but that's part of the job. A lot of jobs require extra training, whether it's college or some other form.

 

You contradict yourself here. If extra training is part of the job and this extra training is during the summer, how do you figure that teachers get summers off?

 

Most of them don't come with 2-3 months off, plus every holiday off, plus a spring break, plus (possibly) a fall break, and a Christmas Break to throw in. Not to mention vacation days, sick days, personal days...

 

No teacher gets vacation days. In KY we are contracted to work 180 days. On all of those holidays, breaks and weekends, you will find most teacher working on grading and planning, not being "off" all of that time. I personally work every Sunday during the school year from 5 or 6 pm until 10 or 11 pm. I do take Saturdays off, unless I have a school event that I have to attend. Like prom or graduation.

And for the record True blue (and gold), I've defended teachers before on this site. I think they deserve great money, and great benefits. Teachers have a very important job and they deserve to be compensated.

 

But it's gotta be nice having summers without work. Yes you might have to work a little...but most people are working their typical 8 hours or more, and they HAVE to be there. And most people don't get every holiday off either.

 

Heck, I'm lucky if I get to be home on any holidays. If my regular days off fall on a holiday, then I'm lucky and I get that day off. Otherwise, I'm working. But I am in no way complaining because I signed up to do what I do and I absolutely LOVE it. I wouldn't trade my job for any other job in the world...okay maybe a few.

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Which teacher is complaining?

And for the record True blue (and gold), I've defended teachers before on this site. I think they deserve great money, and great benefits. Teachers have a very important job and they deserve to be compensated.

 

But it's gotta be nice having summers without work. Yes you might have to work a little...but most people are working their typical 8 hours or more, and they HAVE to be there. And most people don't get every holiday off either.

 

Heck, I'm lucky if I get to be home on any holidays. If my regular days off fall on a holiday, then I'm lucky and I get that day off. Otherwise, I'm working. But I am in no way complaining because I signed up to do what I do and I absolutely LOVE it. I wouldn't trade my job for any other job in the world...okay maybe a few.

 

And I've defended cops. I know people that are cops and have family members that are in law enforcement. I wouldn't presume to know what all their job entails and make assumptions about it.

 

I love my job, too...and it's not because I get soooooo much time off. I don't. I love it because teaching is my passion. That's probably why I should be banned from opening up ANY thread that mentions education. They all turn into "those lucky teachers with all of their time off...":lol:

I just went through the Henderson County school calender for 2011-2012. The teachers have two professional days in July then have to report for their first day on 8/3 with their last day being 5/16. The teachers have a total of 181 days on the calendar they have to be at school. This does not include days they stay late or weekend days they come in or summer days they come in. It only includes days school is in session (174) + 5 professional days (included are the two in July) + the day before school starts (8/4) and the day after school ends (5/15). During that 181 days they get 7 days of holiday and 21 days designated as breaks (this does not include the summer break which would be roughly 10 weeks).

You are making an assumption. An inaccurate one at that. I've shown you in a quote above an example. Teachers do not get the entire summer off.

 

You contradict yourself here. If extra training is part of the job and this extra training is during the summer, how do you figure that teachers get summers off?

 

No teacher gets vacation days. In KY we are contracted to work 180 days. On all of those holidays, breaks and weekends, you will find most teacher working on grading and planning, not being "off" all of that time. I personally work every Sunday during the school year from 5 or 6 pm until 10 or 11 pm. I do take Saturdays off, unless I have a school event that I have to attend. Like prom or graduation.

 

I realize I'm not changing your mind because you are a teacher and you are very passionate about what you do. Good for you, you should be. However you aren't changing my mind. I've said it before, it seems like 100 times now. Teachers deserve what they get. But I'm not going to agree with someone complaining about having to stay a few extra days in the summer. Teachers get a lot of time off...more than most jobs. It's a pretty obvious fact. And I'm not just basing it on assumptions. I guess in your opinion, I'd actually have to be a teacher to be able to have a worthy opinion on the matter. The mere fact that I'm related to or friends with more than a few teachers isn't enough.

And I've defended cops. I know people that are cops and have family members that are in law enforcement. I wouldn't presume to know what all their job entails and make assumptions about it.

 

I love my job, too...and it's not because I get soooooo much time off. I don't. I love it because teaching is my passion. That's probably why I should be banned from opening up ANY thread that mentions education. They all turn into "those lucky teachers with all of their time off...":lol:

 

I don't want this to turn into a police thread because of me. And I'm not a cop. .

 

I've said enough here. I'm not going to argue with you anymore on the matter.

 

I appreciate you and what you do. :thumb:

You are making an assumption. An inaccurate one at that. I've shown you in a quote above an example. Teachers do not get the entire summer off.

 

 

 

You contradict yourself here. If extra training is part of the job and this extra training is during the summer, how do you figure that teachers get summers off?

 

 

 

No teacher gets vacation days. In KY we are contracted to work 180 days. On all of those holidays, breaks and weekends, you will find most teacher working on grading and planning, not being "off" all of that time. I personally work every Sunday during the school year from 5 or 6 pm until 10 or 11 pm.

I can verify that!

I agree with you. Plenty of people see teaching as an 8-3 job, monday through friday, with 3 months off per year. It's not that simple. No teacher worth their weight only works 8-3 during the school year. You have homework to grade, after school events to work (and yes they are work), after school education, parent meetings, lesson planning, professional development, etc. Some schools also require home visits during the summer, which even if a teacher only goes to 25-30 kids is still going to take a big bite out of their summer.

 

Sure school may be out for the summer, but every teacher I know still has to go out to school during the break and work to get things ready for the next school year. People that act like teachers have so much time off couldn't be further from the truth. I'm not ever going to say it is the hardest profession out there, but people that act like the work that goes into it is a joke compared to other jobs is crazy to me. It may not be hard labor, but I would dare anyone who thinks teaching is easy to even substitute teach for a semester.

 

Required in Mason County; comes with the territory. My wife just got her homeroom assignments for the fall. Two of the students she visits have Ewing (Fleming County) addresses; two have Lewis County addresses.

 

 

A semester? Try a day. Obviously there are some folks who would have less difficulty than others; I just know I don't have the temperament for it.

I'll go with my actual summer (not 2.5 months, never is for my school). My last official day for this year will be June 8th. I will likely work June 9th and 10th to finish up the work that I won't get to before then. This includes updating files, preparing summer purchase orders, chemistry lab work and general room cleanup/organization.

 

The following week, I will begin work on lesson plans for a new course that I will teach next year. I won't work on it 8 hours a day, but I can imagine spending most of the mornings on it.

 

For the week of June 20th-24th, all teachers in my school are attending an Advanced Placement conference in Louisville. Two of those days will count as professional development. The other three we are doing on our own - no pay, no credit.

 

I will take June 27th - July 8th off for vacation.

 

Starting July 11th (for the rest of the summer) I will have athletic department duties in the mornings (that I usually don't get paid for). In the afternoons I will continue work on lesson plans for the new course that I am teaching and will also have to update some lesson plans for existing courses. At the end of July or beginning of August, I will devote two days to working with our senior class on activities.

 

Professional development starts for us on August the 8th and students return August 11th.

 

FWIW, I am not complaining one bit. I love my job, even though I don't get nights and weekends free and even though I get tired of addressing the "but you get summers off!" comments. I make a difference in what I do and I am able to give back to my community.

 

But you get summers off!

 

 

 

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

I realize I'm not changing your mind because you are a teacher and you are very passionate about what you do. Good for you, you should be. However you aren't changing my mind. I've said it before, it seems like 100 times now. Teachers deserve what they get. But I'm not going to agree with someone complaining about having to stay a few extra days in the summer. Teachers get a lot of time off...more than most jobs. It's a pretty obvious fact. And I'm not just basing it on assumptions. I guess in your opinion, I'd actually have to be a teacher to be able to have a worthy opinion on the matter. The mere fact that I'm related to or friends with more than a few teachers isn't enough.

 

Even with all the "time off", add a few days of work (without extra pay) to anyone's job and see if they take it lightly. Another thing is that a teacher really never is off of work. No matter where you go as a teacher you're still an extension of the school and have to be professional. It's like always being on-call.

Even with all the "time off", add a few days of work (without extra pay) to anyone's job and see if they take it lightly. Another thing is that a teacher really never is off of work. No matter where you go as a teacher you're still an extension of the school and have to be professional. It's like always being on-call.

 

That's true of most professionals.

Even with all the "time off", add a few days of work (without extra pay) to anyone's job and see if they take it lightly. Another thing is that a teacher really never is off of work. No matter where you go as a teacher you're still an extension of the school and have to be professional. It's like always being on-call.

It's really not like being on call at all :lol:. Firefighters, police, ems, they are on call. Many jobs require professionalism outside of work. The military, heck even banking would be one that comes to mind. Being professional outside the workplace isnt like being on call.

 

As for your comment re: substitute teaching. I substitute for almost 2 years.

 

As for adding a few extra days without extra pay? Most people don't have a few extra days to add like teachers do. Most jobs work year round with their typical one or two week vacations and the occasional holiday. Some professions don't get holidays (at least not everyone).

I think many of us assume that teachers do nothing the entire summer. My sister is a teacher so I'm aware that that's not the case.

 

However, it's simply not good PR for teachers to complain about 3 extra days. It hurts the cause IMO.

 

First, I love my job as a teacher. In no way do I want to come off as whining because I tolerate very little in my own classroom. My whole point was for a profession that logs a lot of hours outside the classroom hours of 8-4, I find it crazy that they require us to work those two extra days. There is a teacher at my school that scheduled a vacation trip far in advanced which will have her missing those two days. They are docking her pay for those two days. That's my problem. I picked my vocation to be a teacher and love everyday I do it. These type of episodes leave a bad taste in my mouth.

 

I completely agree that while teachers have "time off" during the summer, they spend it doing various things with their profession. When seeing the same kids everyday for 9 months, a break needs to happen for the functioning of school.

 

In the grand scheme of things, would I be in my classroom working on stuff? Probably. So no big deal. Just the priniple behind it.