Working harder or buying victories?

 

Wow. You must of had a bad day yesterday... :cry:

X won the title last year without a single D1 scholarship player. How is this possible? I thought X and T had talent to spare?

 

 

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Maybe you didnt get my last post, or just missed it because Im from SE KY, lol, jk. The GREAT teams are GREAT because.......Its not numbers, all though that helps, its not coaching, although that helps too, its not hard work, although you must have that as well. But was seperates the GREAT from the good..........

 

TRADITION!

 

Tradition is a mentality that these players have instilled in them that allows them to step on the field, believe they are the best, and play above and beyond their natural capabilities.

Maybe you didnt get my last post, or just missed it because Im from SE KY, loll, jk. The GREAT teams are GREAT because.......Its not numbers, all though that helps, its not coaching, although that helps too, its..........

 

TRADITION!

 

 

I didn't miss it....And I'm really grateful for your thoughts....it's one of the things we try to convey...but sometimes we feel like no one believes us! :thumb:

Henderson Co. has an enrollment of 2200. neither X or T is at 1500 its more like 1300. Again if numbers are all it takes why hasnt Henderson Co. won a championship or at the very least made a title game?

 

Numbers aren't all it takes. But given two schools with quality coaching, parental and administration support, facilities, and tradition, a 1400 all-male school will have a decisive advantage over a 1600 student co-ed school. Doesn't the 800-male school have to "outwork" the 1400-male school to have equal chance for success?

 

In addtion, I think your numbers are a bit misleading. According to the KHSAA enrollment report with data from 1999-2002 and the school's current website, Henderson County has only recently grown to an enrollment of >2000 students. From 1999-2002, its enrollment was below 1800 every year (some years closer to 1600). Henderson's current enrollment is just under 2200 according to the school website. According to the KHSAA report, during that same period, St X's enrollment was reported at over 1500 students.

i swear half the coaches in the whole state could take trinity or X to the title game. When you have 110 freshman playing football like X did last year how hard could it be. This is not even a topic.

Well I guess its about time to send this thread over to the public/private debate forum.

i swear half the coaches in the whole state could take trinity or X to the title game. When you have 110 freshman playing football like X did last year how hard could it be. This is not even a topic.

 

I guess that mentality is why Mike Glaser, despite 6 State Championships, 2 RU, and over 260 wins, still has never been Coach of the Year. Think there's some jealously?

With a response like that, you are showing a lack of knowledge of what it takes to win football games. I know you are smarter than that.

 

As stated earlier, why haven't Henderson Co. & North Hardin with great numbers been successful then??

 

Why does Highlands with one of ththe smallest schools in 3A dominate?

 

Why did Chuck Smith take Boyle Co. from an alsoran to the dominate team in 2A & 3A for several years????

 

Why did Beechwood start to dominate A as soon as Mike Yeagle took over?

 

Why has Male been successful with many less numbers than X & T????

 

 

Although larger enrollment admittedly isn't the only factor to success, it is a very important factor nonetheless. Using data available on the KHSAA website, I looked at the winning percentages of the largest 10 public schools in 4A and the smallest 10 over the past five seasons. Since schools at the bottom of the 4A classification often jump back and forth between 3A and 4A based on yearly fluctuations in enrollment, I found the 10 schools that had consistently played in 4A from 2000-2004 (i.e. no seasons in 3A).

 

The 10 largest public schools had an average enrollment of 1752 co-ed students, and racked up a cumulative record of 338-241 (0.584). This worked out to an average season record of about 7-5. The top 10 schools were: Paul Dunbar, Lafayette, PRP, Manual, Tates Creek, Seneca, Ballard, Henry Clay, Eastern, and Henderson Co.

 

The 10 smallest schools that consistently played in 4A from 2000-2004 had an average enrollment of 1150 co-ed students, and a cumulative record of 165-355 (0.317). The average season record was 3-7. The 10 smallest 4A schools were: Iroquois, Atherton, Woodford Co, Barren Co, Fern Creek, Ohio Co, North Laurel, Grayson Co, Bullitt Central, and Graves Co.

 

The 10 largest schools have an average enrollment edge of 52% over the smallest 10.

Except that in basketball, X and T have 1400 boys to choose from for their teams, and still can't win the state!

Here's the difference between basketball & football:

in basketball if you have just two superstars you can win 20 games no matter who is coaching the team...in football you can have 5 or 6 superstars (ie Manual & Henry Clay) and get beat by the team that is better coached & better prepared.

i swear half the coaches in the whole state could take trinity or X to the title game. When you have 110 freshman playing football like X did last year how hard could it be. This is not even a topic.

Switch the StX coaches with those from JHardin or Manual and Glaser's staff wins - hands down...ditto with Beatty's staff and the one from Henry Clay...the athletes in the programs at Manual & Henry Clay are better (just barely) than T & X...just not as well coached...(in all fairness the JH staff executed a pretty solid game plan 2 weeks ago)

 

a better post might be that half the coaches in the state couldn't get out of the region with the private school athletes

Although larger enrollment admittedly isn't the only factor to success, it is a very important factor nonetheless. Using data available on the KHSAA website, I looked at the winning percentages of the largest 10 public schools in 4A and the smallest 10 over the past five seasons. Since schools at the bottom of the 4A classification often jump back and forth between 3A and 4A based on yearly fluctuations in enrollment, I found the 10 schools that had consistently played in 4A from 2000-2004 (i.e. no seasons in 3A).

 

The 10 largest public schools had an average enrollment of 1752 co-ed students, and racked up a cumulative record of 338-241 (0.584). This worked out to an average season record of about 7-5. The top 10 schools were: Paul Dunbar, Lafayette, PRP, Manual, Tates Creek, Seneca, Ballard, Henry Clay, Eastern, and Henderson Co.

 

The 10 smallest schools that consistently played in 4A from 2000-2004 had an average enrollment of 1150 co-ed students, and a cumulative record of 165-355 (0.317). The average season record was 3-7. The 10 smallest 4A schools were: Iroquois, Atherton, Woodford Co, Barren Co, Fern Creek, Ohio Co, North Laurel, Grayson Co, Bullitt Central, and Graves Co.

 

The 10 largest schools have an average enrollment edge of 52% over the smallest 10.

 

I have heard that every boy that attends Trinity and St.X are dressing tonight. I think X will dress out about 1,200 and T will dress bout 1,150. Just about every kid is 6'0" 200+ pounds and runs under a 4.5

Boy, you would sure think that with all those boys in schools X or T would be able to find at least one superstar that could get them the dominance in basketball that they have in football

I think you can say a lot of coaches could take Trinity or St. X to the title game consistently, but that doesn't mean the coaches they have aren't great. That means that their programs demand excellence from their football teams and it starts at the top. That means that when they hire a coach, they get a good one. Sure the numbers are an advantage, it's silly to say otherwise. But only because they have such great programs. There are plenty of schools with a large pool of kids that aren't good football schools.

 

Some people seem to think its the numbers, and only the numbers that makes them great. Not me. I think the dedication to their programs is what makes their numbers such a big advantage.

I have heard that every boy that attends Trinity and St.X are dressing tonight. I think X will dress out about 1,200 and T will dress bout 1,150. Just about every kid is 6'0" 200+ pounds and runs under a 4.5

It will be a spotter's nightmare :laugh:

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