Call me crazy here, but I'm fairly sure that the players, parents, and coaches of these "other sports", and the students, parents, and teachers of the academically gifted might just argue that their sports or academics are just as important as football. I'm sure that at some of the schools on here are really just quite happy and thrilled to learn that outside of football, nothing else matters.

 

All State championships are precious and all of these kids put in countless hours to win these championships. With that said, this is a Football message board. What do you expect to hear?

Both coaches are very successful and they're doing it two totally different ways. At X, they've had the same philosophy for the about the last 30+ years when it comes to football. They are going to have a great defense, a ball control offense that will run the football whether you want them to or not, and special teams that will flip the field in their favor. That is Coach Glaser's philosophy; beat you physically and then beat you mentally. They have made some adjustments on defense and added a few wrinkles on offense over the years, so they're not satisfied with just the same schemes. I love when they line up and just run it and there is nothing that the defense can do about it...it's a great feeling; but that's coming from a former OL. Coach Glaser always talks about the "10 year plan" and he and the school take great pride in that. But don't let it fool you, Coach Glaser and X are in the business of being champions. Yes, since 2000 St. X has won 2 championships while playing in a total of 5. It's not the number that anyone would have thought but it's just the way it goes. You watch the film make adjustments and get back to work. It's life. The latest game is the first time that t has beat St. X that soundly so before t fans start to bad mouth Coach Glaser and St. X, take a step back and remember that there is a very good chance that you'll have to play them again. Final thought, as I saw on the TEAM shirt for the first time on Thursday..."Be Uncommon"!!

Both coaches are very successful and they're doing it two totally different ways. At X, they've had the same philosophy for the about the last 30+ years when it comes to football. They are going to have a great defense, a ball control offense that will run the football whether you want them to or not, and special teams that will flip the field in their favor. That is Coach Glaser's philosophy; beat you physically and then beat you mentally. They have made some adjustments on defense and added a few wrinkles on offense over the years, so they're not satisfied with just the same schemes. I love when they line up and just run it and there is nothing that the defense can do about it...it's a great feeling; but that's coming from a former OL. Coach Glaser always talks about the "10 year plan" and he and the school take great pride in that. But don't let it fool you, Coach Glaser and X are in the business of being champions. Yes, since 2000 St. X has won 2 championships while playing in a total of 5. It's not the number that anyone would have thought but it's just the way it goes. You watch the film make adjustments and get back to work. It's life. The latest game is the first time that t has beat St. X that soundly so before t fans start to bad mouth Coach Glaser and St. X, take a step back and remember that there is a very good chance that you'll have to play them again. Final thought, as I saw on the TEAM shirt for the first time on Thursday..."Be Uncommon"!!

 

Trinity having more success in football is nothing new to the last 10 years. In fact, the 90s was the only time in the last forty years that X did better than Trinity. In the 70s it was Trinity 4 - X 3. In the 80s it was Trinity 5 - X 1. In the 90s X had 4 titles to Trinity's 2. In the decade just past it was Trinity 7 - X 2. It may have been the same philosophy for the past 30+ years, but that philosophy is "we're number 2". In the past 40 years, Trinity has 18 titles to X s 10.

I don't know Coach Glaser personally, and can't speak from that point of view. I do know several former X players and managers.

 

I also feel I know enough about both schools that I know that Football Championships are nowhere near the pinnacle of pride each of these schools parents, students, alum, teachers, administrators, fans, etc. feel. I firmly believe that all are proud of all the success that each and every student achieves, whether while as student at either school, or after they've graduated.

 

I find it really sad that the rivalry is sullied by slamming either coach. I am no Beatty apologist. He's not warm and fuzzy. But I am proud that my son played for him. I'm proud of what my son learned from him. And my son is very grateful for some of the toughness Coach Beatty instilled in him. It's stood him in good stead in achieving goals both at Trinity, in the classroom and in other areas besides football, in overcoming personal challenges, and especially over the last 4+ years since he's graduated.

 

I won't be popular in either camp for saying this, but trying to prove one man or the other is a "better" man or person is simply a discredit to what I feel embodies the mission of either school. Like pretty much each and every one of us, they have their own personalities, their own perspectives and their own way of doing things. It doesn't make either "right" or "wrong" or either a "good man" or a "bad man". They're just men, doing their jobs to the best of their ability. And they're both successful to a degree that many coaches would envy.

jimmyref: slight correction to your post. Glaser did not compete with fall baseball for a potential starting QB. The person in question was by far the top QB Freshman and Sophmore year, however, Glaser was the person who told the player his services as QB were not needed at St X.

Call me crazy here, but I'm fairly sure that the players, parents, and coaches of these "other sports", and the students, parents, and teachers of the academically gifted might just argue that their sports or academics are just as important as football. I'm sure that at some of the schools on here are really just quite happy and thrilled to learn that outside of football, nothing else matters.

 

Don't necessarily disagree with you. My point was that the talk about the other sports surfaces only when X suffers a bad loss. If one wanted to extol St. X's virtues in these areas, there are other forums on BGP that would be more appropriate than the Football forum, to wit, as applicable: Softball, Swimming, Tennis, Track and Cross Country; Golf, Soccer and Volleyball; General Discussion; Baseball; and Wrestling. To bring it up in the Football forum smacks of sour grapes.

Edited October 12, 201015 yr by tcjkbt

jimmyref: slight correction to your post. Glaser did not compete with fall baseball for a potential starting QB. The person in question was by far the top QB Freshman and Sophmore year, however, Glaser was the person who told the player his services as QB were not needed at St X.

Thanks for the clarification. Actually if you go back the last 5 years,Glaser has had to compete with other sports. Loehnert plays baseball, Buehner played tennis, Brutscher played basketball, and Zoeller played baseball. ( Sidenote that Zoeller has 16 TDs and one interception for the undefeated Wittenberg and averaging 274 yds of offense for the Tigers) The point I was trying to make is put the parent and the student athlete in the situation of deciding which way to advise your son, play football or another sport. At St Xavier, there are some great options besides football. Take the case of Michael Horrell, starting linebacker on the football team in 2005 (?) and owner of 5 state championship rings. Does the fact that he has more rings than Brian Brohm mean anything? No, but the fact that his International Business degree from Yale with concentration in Chinese studies makes him a great role model for people to choose swimming as another sport and further their education. Same with Kevin Bick, Kyle Schickel, and Kyle Richard, all pretty good grade school football players but chose another fall sports path to IU, Northwestern, and Notre Dame, respectively. I am glad to hear that Coach Glaser encouraged the baseball player to pursue his dream-and making the right choice for him for the next 4 years, not just the fall of his senior year.

It would be very annoying as a High School Football Fan to constantly have to defent the actions and coaching ability of your coach. I think that all agree the Coach Glaser is a great human being. We may not all agree with his actions on the football field, but he is what he is, and as a Rock fan I am glad that we don't have to spend allot of time defending coach Beatty for his actions, he just wins Baby!.

Jimmy, Glaser did not encourage Ryan Leohnart to play fall baseball. He wanted him to play football, but not at quarterback which happens to be his best position. Had Ryan been given a chance to compete for the QB job he would have played football. From my experience, Glaser does not discourage multi-sport participation. Beatty is dealing with and has dealt with the multi-sport issue as well with Brohm, Robey, Quick, Hatcher, Nix, (and the kid who went to Morehead to play baseball, name escapes me). I will agree that in the last couple years there have been several key freshmen football starters at St.X who have elected to forego football for their "meal ticket" sports of basketball, baseball, etc...(Matt Spalding would have been a great WR or DB and Clooney could have helped the Dline)That's not a reflection on Glaser, it's a reflection on how competitive and year around many non-football sports have become.

If some people didn't spend all their time criticizing him, we wouldn't have to spend time to defend him. Worry about your own program, not ours.

I don't know Coach Glaser personally, and can't speak from that point of view. I do know several former X players and managers.

 

I also feel I know enough about both schools that I know that Football Championships are nowhere near the pinnacle of pride each of these schools parents, students, alum, teachers, administrators, fans, etc. feel. I firmly believe that all are proud of all the success that each and every student achieves, whether while as student at either school, or after they've graduated.

 

I find it really sad that the rivalry is sullied by slamming either coach. I am no Beatty apologist. He's not warm and fuzzy. But I am proud that my son played for him. I'm proud of what my son learned from him. And my son is very grateful for some of the toughness Coach Beatty instilled in him. It's stood him in good stead in achieving goals both at Trinity, in the classroom and in other areas besides football, in overcoming personal challenges, and especially over the last 4+ years since he's graduated.

 

I won't be popular in either camp for saying this, but trying to prove one man or the other is a "better" man or person is simply a discredit to what I feel embodies the mission of either school. Like pretty much each and every one of us, they have their own personalities, their own perspectives and their own way of doing things. It doesn't make either "right" or "wrong" or either a "good man" or a "bad man". They're just men, doing their jobs to the best of their ability. And they're both successful to a degree that many coaches would envy.

 

Well said.