Never have I thought a country could be so tolerant of others religions that killed nearly 3000 folks on 09-11-01, and I would suggest you look into why those folks choose to kill Americans and knock down the World Trade Center buildings. I think our country is as close to turning the cheek as Jesus could ever want. Let's see what dividends it reaps.

 

Not suggesting that "all" Muslims are bad, nor that it is a bad religion. It is however, insulting to one's intelligence to suggest that those folks that killed all of those people weren't Muslim, and that they didn't deliberately do that unthinkable harm against our country because of our country's alliance with Isreal and Judeo/Christian heritage.

 

I thought al queda executed that tragedy.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Afghanistan/burn-quran-day-sparks-protests-afghanistan-petraeus-endanger/story?id=11569820 A Florida pastor's plan to burn Qurans at his church on Sept. 11 ignited a protest today by hundreds of Afghans, who burned American flags and shouted "Death to America," and the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan said the preacher could be increasing the threat to his troops. The crowd in downtown Kabul reached nearly 500 today, with Afghan protesters chanting "Long live Islam " and "Long live the Quran," and burning an effigy of Terry Jones, senior pastor from the Dove World Outreach Center in Florida who is planning the event.

 

The protesters were well aware of the pastor's inflammatory comments, such as the "Islam is an evil religion," since they have been spread wide on the Internet. Jones has also authored a book, "Islam Is of the Devil." The protesters' anger wasn't limited to Jones, however. Chants of "Death to America" echoed through the crowd, and U.S. flags were set ablaze alongside the effigy of Jones.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Afghanistan/burn-quran-day-sparks-protests-afghanistan-petraeus-endanger/story?id=11569820 A Florida pastor's plan to burn Qurans at his church on Sept. 11 ignited a protest today by hundreds of Afghans, who burned American flags and shouted "Death to America," and the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan said the preacher could be increasing the threat to his troops. The crowd in downtown Kabul reached nearly 500 today, with Afghan protesters chanting "Long live Islam " and "Long live the Quran," and burning an effigy of Terry Jones, senior pastor from the Dove World Outreach Center in Florida who is planning the event.

 

The protesters were well aware of the pastor's inflammatory comments, such as the "Islam is an evil religion," since they have been spread wide on the Internet. Jones has also authored a book, "Islam Is of the Devil." The protesters' anger wasn't limited to Jones, however. Chants of "Death to America" echoed through the crowd, and U.S. flags were set ablaze alongside the effigy of Jones.

 

So they are conflagrating this church with all of America? Doesn't it stink when someone uses one small group of people's action to condemn a much larger group.

The "religions" didn't kill 3000 Americans (some of which where Muslim Americans, too, btw). Religious extremists killed those Americans.

 

Who has suggested that those that committed the atrocities on 9/11 weren't Muslim extremists? .

 

Plain stupidity.

I thought al queda executed that tragedy.

 

 

Please tell me a non Muslim Extremest that is a leader in their group...

Plain stupidity.

 

Excuse me?

Excuse me?

 

My mistake. I thought your previous post said, "Who has suggested that those that committed the atrocities on 9/11 were Muslim extremists?"

 

In other words, plan stupidity, on my part.

Incredible how fear, religious intolerance and bigotry on both sides can fan the flames. Pun intended.

My mistake. I thought your previous post said, "Who has suggested that those that committed the atrocities on 9/11 were Muslim extremists?"

 

In other words, plan stupidity, on my part.

 

We all read things wrong at times. No problem. :thumb:

The following happened before this thread even started.

 

The Gainesville Police Department also has been paying attention.

 

Officials there have met with other law enforcement agencies to figure out how it will handle the planned burning - and the potential backlash - if it still happens.

 

Police spokeswoman Cpl. Tscharna Senn said the department is not yet releasing what agencies have been contacted and what the discussions have been about.

 

"As far as the scale and magnitude of our response, that's undetermined at this point," she said.

 

Dove World told it can't burn Qurans

I do find it odd.

 

There have been many times where Muslim groups have burned bibles and other christian symbols with little or no uproar.

 

Yet when it comes to burning a Quran by another religious group, it's a world wide uproar.

 

Seems like a do as I say, not as I do.

 

According to the article above they are burning effigies and US flags, but I guess that's ok.

I do find it odd.

 

There have been many times where Muslim groups have burned bibles and other christian symbols with little or no uproar.

 

Yet when it comes to burning a Quran by another religious group, it's a world wide uproar.

 

Seems like a do as I say, not as I do.

 

According to the article above they are burning effigies and US flags, but I guess that's ok.

 

Are you intentionally missing the point?

I do find it odd.

 

There have been many times where Muslim groups have burned bibles and other christian symbols with little or no uproar.

 

Yet when it comes to burning a Quran by another religious group, it's a world wide uproar.

 

Seems like a do as I say, not as I do.

 

According to the article above they are burning effigies and US flags, but I guess that's ok.

 

I really think it's two different things you're comparing here.

No one expects the same tolerance in other countries, especially religious tolerance. The "do as I say, not as I do" mentality is looking to be America's mantra now, not the other countries'. We are founded on the principles of religious tolerance. Not to mention, the very core of Christianity is violated by intolerance in this manner. It's a double whammy bad deal for this American religious leader to propose and promote this. Personally, I can't find it in myself to call him a Christian. And frankly, considering he's ignoring the potential danger he will place American soldiers, missionaries and citizens abroad in, I question his patriotism.

Here's a year old article about the Rev. Terry Jones and his "church."

 

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090907/ARTICLES/909079995/1002?Title=Leader-of-Dove-World-Outreach-Center-to-give-meeting-invocation

 

I don't doubt his "right" but I have grave misgivings concerning his motivation.

The ironic thing is that until the uncultured Turks and other nomads were converted to Islam by the followers of Mohamed, Islam was a religion of tolerance in regards to Jews and Christians. I know that many here will flat out not believe me when I say this, but the followers of Islam were taught by their prophet that "People of the Book" as he referred to Jews and Christians were also followers of the one true God. While we may have been misguided in our worship of God, we were not to be forcibly converted as we were not following false gods.

 

This became a problem though when the Arabs conquered the Persian Empire and inherited the Mazdaist intolerance of other religions (worshipers of Ahura Mazda were notorious for their intolerance of other faiths). Then once this seed of intolerance had been planted it fully matured in the conversion of the nomadic Turks who never could understand why the Prophet would make exceptions for "People of the Book." It is these two events in the history of Islam that propagated the eventual intolerance that we see today. That said, in its original form and in the form that the majority of Muslims follow, Islam is not as intolerant as Christianity has been. Especially when you look at a few Christian conflicts that used their faith as an excuse(note however I say excuse because there were other underlying factors in some cases) such as: The Crusades, The Inquisition, The Thirty Years War, The English Civil War and the conflict that has plagued Ireland for years.

 

Let's face it, Christianity is not populated with saints in its entirety nor is Islam nothing but a hate filled religion. The knee-jerk reactionism that has become common place among the masses here in the States is causing the exact reaction that those trying to incite Muslims against us say we have had all along.

I find it very telling that this post would go completely ignored by everyone on the board. Excellent post my friend!