June 9, 201016 yr I was asking this of RTS, not you. He is better able to judge my intent that you, being both my friend and someone familiar with my posting style. RTS knows that I like to make my own determinations about things, instead of simply believing someone else's interpretations. However, I'm glad that you have been keeping up with my posts so much. If you have any other personal shots to take, go ahead. I hope that they make you feel better. Just an observation.
June 9, 201016 yr Just an observation. Perhaps you could stick with questions asked of you, then, and not of others. Just an observation.
June 9, 201016 yr Its lonely at the top all by myself. Why do I hear Nilsson singing in the background?
June 9, 201016 yr Why do I hear Nilsson singing in the background? Shouldn't Nilsson be quiet and let Eric Carmen sing his own song?!:lol:
June 9, 201016 yr I just love watching all these threads started by people who are never hypocritical, wrong about anything, and pretty much...well...perfect. They obviously must not be US politicians!
June 9, 201016 yr Author TB&G, here are just a few. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/530gqheg.asp http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/13/AR2009031303486.html http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/15114 http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=35282 http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dcnow/2010/06/obama-faults-gop-bp-as-he-seeks-to-reset-economic-agenda.html http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/530gqheg.asp http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/13/AR2009031303486.html http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/15114 http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=35282 It took me about 20 seconds to find these, there are more out there.
June 9, 201016 yr TB&G, here are just a few. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/530gqheg.asp http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/13/AR2009031303486.html http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/15114 http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=35282 http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dcnow/2010/06/obama-faults-gop-bp-as-he-seeks-to-reset-economic-agenda.html http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/530gqheg.asp http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/13/AR2009031303486.html http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/15114 http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=35282 It took me about 20 seconds to find these, there are more out there. Well done RTS and thanks for the info. Weekly Standard - Slanted partisan paper writing to its consituents and slanting the "news" but Obama slamming Bush for Guatanamo is unnecessary finger pointing IMO. Wash Post - Obama states he inherited the financial crisis from Bush. I don't think I call that finger pointing. That is more of a statement of fact. Daily Mail Blog #1 - Obama blaming Republicans for the oil spill is "finger pointing" at its silliest. No one in any government is to blame for any part of this disaster. Human Events - Despite the headline, I don't see Obama's comments here about the country's disatisfaction with Bush over the past 8 years as "finger pointing". LA Times - I would call this typical political partisanship versus "finger pointing". The last four links are all duplicates of the ones above. So is Obama a finger pointer. Yes, like all politicians you MUST be a finger pointer. Bottom line, politics requires some "finger pointing". That is partisan politics and how people get elected. Many in this thread are finger pointing. Everyone does it when we try to figure out why a problem or mistake happened. We need to blame someone. But you missed the point of Obama's comments to the high school kids. The "finger pointing" Obama referred to in his high school talk was about people not accepting responsibility and trying to fix problems. His message was to not wallow in self pity but to take charge and do something about the problems you face. I still think it is a stretch to try to say Obama was hypocritical in the comments to the high school kids.
June 9, 201016 yr Shouldn't Nilsson be quiet and let Eric Carmen sing his own song?!:lol: :laugh: that's what I get for going on my own terrible memory. :lol:
June 9, 201016 yr Well done RTS and thanks for the info. Weekly Standard - Slanted partisan paper writing to its consituents and slanting the "news" but Obama slamming Bush for Guatanamo is unnecessary finger pointing IMO. Wash Post - Obama states he inherited the financial crisis from Bush. I don't think I call that finger pointing. That is more of a statement of fact. Daily Mail Blog #1 - Obama blaming Republicans for the oil spill is "finger pointing" at its silliest. No one in any government is to blame for any part of this disaster. Human Events - Despite the headline, I don't see Obama's comments here about the country's disatisfaction with Bush over the past 8 years as "finger pointing". LA Times - I would call this typical political partisanship versus "finger pointing". The last four links are all duplicates of the ones above. So is Obama a finger pointer. Yes, like all politicians you MUST be a finger pointer. Bottom line, politics requires some "finger pointing". That is partisan politics and how people get elected. Many in this thread are finger pointing. Everyone does it when we try to figure out why a problem or mistake happened. We need to blame someone. But you missed the point of Obama's comments to the high school kids. The "finger pointing" Obama referred to in his high school talk was about people not accepting responsibility and trying to fix problems. His message was to not wallow in self pity but to take charge and do something about the problems you face. I still think it is a stretch to try to say Obama was hypocritical in the comments to the high school kids. Well, bust my buttons. So they are.
June 9, 201016 yr Well done RTS and thanks for the info. Weekly Standard - Slanted partisan paper writing to its consituents and slanting the "news" but Obama slamming Bush for Guatanamo is unnecessary finger pointing IMO. Wash Post - Obama states he inherited the financial crisis from Bush. I don't think I call that finger pointing. That is more of a statement of fact. Daily Mail Blog #1 - Obama blaming Republicans for the oil spill is "finger pointing" at its silliest. No one in any government is to blame for any part of this disaster. Human Events - Despite the headline, I don't see Obama's comments here about the country's disatisfaction with Bush over the past 8 years as "finger pointing". LA Times - I would call this typical political partisanship versus "finger pointing". The last four links are all duplicates of the ones above. So is Obama a finger pointer. Yes, like all politicians you MUST be a finger pointer. Bottom line, politics requires some "finger pointing". That is partisan politics and how people get elected. Many in this thread are finger pointing. Everyone does it when we try to figure out why a problem or mistake happened. We need to blame someone. But you missed the point of Obama's comments to the high school kids. The "finger pointing" Obama referred to in his high school talk was about people not accepting responsibility and trying to fix problems. His message was to not wallow in self pity but to take charge and do something about the problems you face. I still think it is a stretch to try to say Obama was hypocritical in the comments to the high school kids. And that's one of the messages the cons say the libs don't send. Self-reliance. Pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. Not suckling at the government teat. Ironic, ain't it?
June 9, 201016 yr TB&G, here are just a few. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/530gqheg.asp http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/13/AR2009031303486.html http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/15114 http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=35282 http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dcnow/2010/06/obama-faults-gop-bp-as-he-seeks-to-reset-economic-agenda.html http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/530gqheg.asp http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/13/AR2009031303486.html http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/15114 http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=35282 It took me about 20 seconds to find these, there are more out there. Thank you for providing links. Here are some others, though of GW Bush blaming Clinton:http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/200601012_bush_blames_clinton_again/ http://thinkprogress.org/2005/08/30/bush-blames/ http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0006/23/se.02.html http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-5867362_ITM http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-5867362_ITM I found those pretty quickly, too. I had more difficulty finding links of Clinton blaming GHW Bush. I am sure that they exist, but your general search seems to pull up the most recent links, which are mostly GWB blaming Clinton or Clinton (as an ex-president) blaming GWB. The point is that it is a common tactic, certainly not practiced more heavily by one that the other. It's probably a waste of time, though much of the criticism is likely legit. Additionally, when President Obama participates in "the same old politics" it detracts from his stance that this administration will be different. As per the original link to the speech, I certainly agree with the "control your own personal destiny" message.
June 9, 201016 yr Author Well done RTS and thanks for the info. Weekly Standard - Slanted partisan paper writing to its consituents and slanting the "news" but Obama slamming Bush for Guatanamo is unnecessary finger pointing IMO. Wash Post - Obama states he inherited the financial crisis from Bush. I don't think I call that finger pointing. That is more of a statement of fact. Daily Mail Blog #1 - Obama blaming Republicans for the oil spill is "finger pointing" at its silliest. No one in any government is to blame for any part of this disaster. Human Events - Despite the headline, I don't see Obama's comments here about the country's disatisfaction with Bush over the past 8 years as "finger pointing". LA Times - I would call this typical political partisanship versus "finger pointing". The last four links are all duplicates of the ones above. So is Obama a finger pointer. Yes, like all politicians you MUST be a finger pointer. Bottom line, politics requires some "finger pointing". That is partisan politics and how people get elected. Many in this thread are finger pointing. Everyone does it when we try to figure out why a problem or mistake happened. We need to blame someone. But you missed the point of Obama's comments to the high school kids. The "finger pointing" Obama referred to in his high school talk was about people not accepting responsibility and trying to fix problems. His message was to not wallow in self pity but to take charge and do something about the problems you face. I still think it is a stretch to try to say Obama was hypocritical in the comments to the high school kids. If you want to watch him do it live, I'm sure you can catch it any news channel as he does it often. Those sources aren't the only ones, google for yourself to find the ones that make you happy. I just picked the first few I saw. You forget, he was going to be different. That was his main battle cry. He's nothing more than a typical politician, a disappointed to those that took him at face value.
June 9, 201016 yr Author And that's one of the messages the cons say the libs don't send. Self-reliance. Pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. Not suckling at the government teat. Ironic, ain't it? What's ironic is he can't take his own advice.
June 9, 201016 yr Author Thank you for providing links. Here are some others, though of GW Bush blaming Clinton:http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/200601012_bush_blames_clinton_again/ http://thinkprogress.org/2005/08/30/bush-blames/ http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0006/23/se.02.html http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-5867362_ITM http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-5867362_ITM I found those pretty quickly, too. I had more difficulty finding links of Clinton blaming GHW Bush. I am sure that they exist, but your general search seems to pull up the most recent links, which are mostly GWB blaming Clinton or Clinton (as an ex-president) blaming GWB. The point is that it is a common tactic, certainly not practiced more heavily by one that the other. It's probably a waste of time, though much of the criticism is likely legit. Additionally, when President Obama participates in "the same old politics" it detracts from his stance that this administration will be different. As per the original link to the speech, I certainly agree with the "control your own personal destiny" message. I don't deny Bush or other Presidents did it, never said they didn't. However, he's seemed to make such a habit of it yet he was going to be different, he wasn't going to do those things. Remember? The whole point of the thread is the man doesn't practice what he preaches. Good advice, without a doubt, but he sounds like a fool considering how often he does it himself. What happened to change? What happened to a new and better Washington? What happened to Obama?
June 9, 201016 yr Thank you for providing links. Here are some others, though of GW Bush blaming Clinton:http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/200601012_bush_blames_clinton_again/ http://thinkprogress.org/2005/08/30/bush-blames/ http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0006/23/se.02.html http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-5867362_ITM http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-5867362_ITM I found those pretty quickly, too. I had more difficulty finding links of Clinton blaming GHW Bush. I am sure that they exist, but your general search seems to pull up the most recent links, which are mostly GWB blaming Clinton or Clinton (as an ex-president) blaming GWB. The point is that it is a common tactic, certainly not practiced more heavily by one that the other. It's probably a waste of time, though much of the criticism is likely legit. Additionally, when President Obama participates in "the same old politics" it detracts from his stance that this administration will be different. As per the original link to the speech, I certainly agree with the "control your own personal destiny" message. I don't deny Bush or other Presidents did it, never said they didn't. However, he's seemed to make such a habit of it yet he was going to be different, he wasn't going to do those things. Remember? The whole point of the thread is the man doesn't practice what he preaches. Good advice, without a doubt, but he sounds like a fool considering how often he does it himself. What happened to change? What happened to a new and better Washington? What happened to Obama? The only real issue here is the "I'll be different than the other guy" mantra. I mentioned that in my post. For those that banked purely or most on that, then sure, they are going to be disappointed. The message of THIS speech is personal responsibility for one's own destiny. You can't really get a better message than that. As regards the intended irony mentioned in this thread, it's not really comparable to Obama blaming the economic mess on Bush. There's a kernel of truth in that comment, but it is a useless one. Why waste the energy and instead, work harder at the solution?
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