Anybody have the score of the Highlands/NCC game?

 

6-3

Curious on whether the freshmen teams are made up of freshmen only, MS only, or freshmen/MS mix?

 

Down our way and a little further south, freshmen teams are usually MSers.

 

I watched the NCC/Brossart game. Both schools have about 40-50 boys in their freshman class. Brossart had about eight 8th graders in their team and New Cath looked to have about 4 or 5. not sure about the larger schools in the area?

Congratulations to the Raiders!

You are right. I was out of line. And I will now use private messaging only to discuss players. It wasn't my intention to hurt anyones feelings and what seems like just reasonable analysis on my end is being read by parents and I can now see that they wouldn't necessarily look at it that way. So my apologies to the family of the player that we were discussing.

 

and I'd like to go back and delete all my posts referencing that player or any other players. Any one know how to do that? I can't figure out how to delete posts?

 

Stand up....nice work. I think many times everyone on here tends to forget that the kids read this stuff also, including myself.

Well I'm not ready to pat myself on the back of course. I participate in some national baseball forums and it can get pretty rough on there. I'm usually a pretty middle of the road poster on those sites, but the audience here is different. It obviously took me too long to figure that out. I will stick to general baseball discussions here. I posted info such as the 60 times, etc. in an effort to provide perspective to parents here. I'll be glad to provide generic info like that if it's helpful in the future but not concerning specific players any more.

 

Keep providing your thoughts. I think you just have your sights set higher than most on here when looking at talent. Far too many on here as well as around sports events think once a kid (especially when it is their kid or friend) pitches 5 shutout innings in a couple freshman games he is on his way to D1. The majority of the parents, posters and players don't realize how talented you have to be to play D1 sports. You can be the top hitter and fastest kid on your successful varsity baseball team and not get a sniff from D1. It truly takes special talent and God given size and speed to have a chance to compete on that level and it is proven every year at this time when everyone wonders why this player or that didn't get looks from D1.

Well said.

Keep providing your thoughts. I think you just have your sights set higher than most on here when looking at talent. Far too many on here as well as around sports events think once a kid (especially when it is their kid or friend) pitches 5 shutout innings in a couple freshman games he is on his way to D1. The majority of the parents, posters and players don't realize how talented you have to be to play D1 sports. You can be the top hitter and fastest kid on your successful varsity baseball team and not get a sniff from D1. It truly takes special talent and God given size and speed to have a chance to compete on that level and it is proven every year at this time when everyone wonders why this player or that didn't get looks from D1.

 

Ditto. Keep posting. I know your first foray into the forum got you in hot water, but we need more opinions on the baseball side. Things can get slow over here (compared to the football side where people are always arguing!).

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By the way, I have no idea why my post ended up narrow.

And now it's not narrow. I hate software changes! :eyeonyou:

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Ok, now it is again. Who's playing w/ me?

First of all I don't have anyone close to me in the situation of moving down to the Freshman level. Now, I don't have a problem that any freshman should be eligible to play in the tourney. My concern is this. Kids start/play all season on the freshman team anticipating the idea of playing in the regional tourney. Then the tourney comes and the coach tells him I know you started all season, but we are moving players (even though they are freshmen) who have played ALL YEAR on the JV team down so you don't get toplay. What kind of message does that send to the kid. You were good enough to play all year, but sorry, we are bringing kids in to play because winning is more important than loyality to the players who played all year. I know it is "legel" but I don't like it.

First of all I don't have anyone close to me in the situation of moving down to the Freshman level. Now, I don't have a problem that any freshman should be eligible to play in the tourney. My concern is this. Kids start/play all season on the freshman team anticipating the idea of playing in the regional tourney. Then the tourney comes and the coach tells him I know you started all season, but we are moving players (even though they are freshmen) who have played ALL YEAR on the JV team down so you don't get toplay. What kind of message does that send to the kid. You were good enough to play all year, but sorry, we are bringing kids in to play because winning is more important than loyality to the players who played all year. I know it is "legel" but I don't like it.

 

Be thankful for all the playing time and experience gained during the season. Hopefully that helped the kids get better so they might be able to beat out the freshman kids playing JV in the future.

First of all I don't have anyone close to me in the situation of moving down to the Freshman level. Now, I don't have a problem that any freshman should be eligible to play in the tourney. My concern is this. Kids start/play all season on the freshman team anticipating the idea of playing in the regional tourney. Then the tourney comes and the coach tells him I know you started all season, but we are moving players (even though they are freshmen) who have played ALL YEAR on the JV team down so you don't get toplay. What kind of message does that send to the kid. You were good enough to play all year, but sorry, we are bringing kids in to play because winning is more important than loyality to the players who played all year. I know it is "legel" but I don't like it.

 

I do have a kid who was directly affected by JV freshman coming down for the tourney, and like you, I didn't like it either. Had I been the coach, I would not have made the same decision. No matter what sport I’m coaching, I’m a firm believer in riding the horses that brought you. However, because I didn't like it doesn't mean I was right & the coaches were wrong, or vice versa. It's simply two different philosophies.

 

By leaving the JV frosh up, both sets of kids would have gotten playoff experience (since those frosh will play in the JV tournament anyway). By brining them down, you’ve robbed the younger kids of the experience of playing under that kind of pressure, which would seem to be not in the best interest of your program long-term. You’ve also left those kids with a bad taste in their mouth for the off-season, which is never a good idea when you’re building a program.

 

By bringing the JV frosh down, however, you greatly increase the possibility of a good showing in the frosh tournament, which could be argued is definitely in the best interest of your program long-term, especially when you’re building a new program.

 

Two sides of the same coin.

I do have a kid who was directly affected by JV freshman coming down for the tourney, and like you, I didn't like it either. Had I been the coach, I would not have made the same decision. No matter what sport I’m coaching, I’m a firm believer in riding the horses that brought you. However, because I didn't like it doesn't mean I was right & the coaches were wrong, or vice versa. It's simply two different philosophies.

 

By leaving the JV frosh up, both sets of kids would have gotten playoff experience (since those frosh will play in the JV tournament anyway). By brining them down, you’ve robbed the younger kids of the experience of playing under that kind of pressure, which would seem to be not in the best interest of your program long-term. You’ve also left those kids with a bad taste in their mouth for the off-season, which is never a good idea when you’re building a program.

 

By bringing the JV frosh down, however, you greatly increase the possibility of a good showing in the frosh tournament, which could be argued is definitely in the best interest of your program long-term, especially when you’re building a new program.

 

Two sides of the same coin.

 

Good points all the way around with one added thought. You and your child seem to agree that the players brought down are better than your child, so it is good you realize he needs to get better. So instead of getting upset because the players were brought down and/or discouraged, take on the challenge of working harder and getting better. Baseball is definitely a sport where extra work will pay off but it takes a lot of extra work to make a difference. Figure out where you can improve and then go to work. You know you need to get better. Go do it and surprise some people next year.

I do not believe the kids who played JV all season should be allowed to come down just to play in the tournaments. I is not fair to the kids who have played all season and have earned the spots on the team, but I know it is win at all cost and not worry about the kids for a lot of schools and coaches and yes a lot of parents. Very bad example to set for the KIDs who should come first, not the "W"s.

I do have a kid who was directly affected by JV freshman coming down for the tourney, and like you, I didn't like it either. Had I been the coach, I would not have made the same decision. No matter what sport I’m coaching, I’m a firm believer in riding the horses that brought you. However, because I didn't like it doesn't mean I was right & the coaches were wrong, or vice versa. It's simply two different philosophies.

 

By leaving the JV frosh up, both sets of kids would have gotten playoff experience (since those frosh will play in the JV tournament anyway). By brining them down, you’ve robbed the younger kids of the experience of playing under that kind of pressure, which would seem to be not in the best interest of your program long-term. You’ve also left those kids with a bad taste in their mouth for the off-season, which is never a good idea when you’re building a program.

 

By bringing the JV frosh down, however, you greatly increase the possibility of a good showing in the frosh tournament, which could be argued is definitely in the best interest of your program long-term, especially when you’re building a new program.

 

Two sides of the same coin.

 

The system almost encourages bringing Frosh players back down for the Regional Tourney by its schedule. This year, the Frosh tourney ended SAT the 15th and the JV tourney started SUN the 16th (for some teams). Unless there are JV games scheduled during the Frosh tourney, the decision is much easier for the Coaches.

 

I also see both sides of the coin. For HHS this season, if they had not brought down the Frosh, they would have played only 1 tournament game (JV loss to Beechwood). Instead, those kids got 4 straight days of intense, tournament atmosphere. It's certainly easier for 7th & 8th graders who played Frosh all year because they will get the opportunity to play again (and be brought down if they are playing JV). For those Frosh who played Frosh all year and didn't get to play, they move to JV next year and try to figure out where they fit in and if they are comfortable with that spot. If yes, OK. If not, put in the time to get better or try something else you will be comfortable with / enjoy.

First of all I don't have anyone close to me in the situation of moving down to the Freshman level. Now, I don't have a problem that any freshman should be eligible to play in the tourney. My concern is this. Kids start/play all season on the freshman team anticipating the idea of playing in the regional tourney. Then the tourney comes and the coach tells him I know you started all season, but we are moving players (even though they are freshmen) who have played ALL YEAR on the JV team down so you don't get toplay. What kind of message does that send to the kid. You were good enough to play all year, but sorry, we are bringing kids in to play because winning is more important than loyality to the players who played all year. I know it is "legel" but I don't like it.

 

It sends a message that you were only playing because the other freshman moved up. I agree with VOC in that take advantage of the playing time that the kids received throughout the year and build on that. I guess if you don't like it, and little Johnny got his feelings hurt or better yet, Dad got his feelings hurt, then I say move on. There are plenty others that would like a starters playing time that might not be getting any or enough. Boo Hoo!!!