The problem is the fact that adults recruiting, paying kids, and corruption would commercialize high school athletes. Parity would suffer, good will and decency between programs would detiriorate and the true spirit of High School sports would fall even further. I really think you have to look at the big picture on these types of issues, while it sounds great for one "little Johnny" to have his way, its better to promote a good environment for sports in the entire state and a revovling door and kids shopping around will not really teach them anything and sports ultimately is for education.

 

As opposed to when? "Good will?" This is not the first athlete to transfer and then have eligibility questioned. I've known and seen enough of "out of district" students playing or moving and playing on rival teams to know that this is not the first time nor will it be the last under the current system. I've also seen how traditional powers seem to have very good athletes miraculously "fall" into their laps when they need them the most. :thumb:

As opposed to when? "Good will?" This is not the first athlete to transfer and then have eligibility questioned. I've known and seen enough of "out of district" students playing or moving and playing on rival teams to know that this is not the first time nor will it be the last under the current system. I've also seen how traditional powers seem to have very good athletes miraculously "fall" into their laps when they need them the most. :thumb:

 

I was commenting on the above posts about just making it completely no quesitons asked legal to transfer and play. I agree there and are and always will be cases of kids moving and transferring. I am just saying IMO that all cases should be governed/scrutinized.

If an athlete has not played varsity, he can transfer without sitting out. From what is posted above, it sounds like the other two athletes mentioned did not get varsity action. If that is true, it has nothing to do with a protest. This was covered earlier in the thread but it has been a while so I will post it again. A varsity athlete who transfers is automatically ineligible. To be eligible the athlete has to get a waiver from the KHSAA. Here is the link to the bylaw:

 

http://www.khsaa.org/handbook/bylaws/bylaw6.pdf

 

A protest has nothing to do with ineligibility. Dunn was ineligible the second he transferred. To get eligible, he needs to get a waiver from the KHSAA. To get the waiver, he has to fall under one of the exceptions listed and prove it to the KHSAA.

 

I have to disagree with this statement, although that is the way it is supposed to work. If the school that a kid transfers from does not protest the move, the student-athlete is almost always granted eligibility. I have seen it way too many times locally for it to be a coincidence.

I don't know what all of the answers are, but I don't think that when you are playing under an authority like the KHSAA, and the rules a clear, which in Dunn's case they seem to be, you can hire a lawyer get a court order and over ride the system. I'm not just saying this because I am a Danville fan, if he were leaving Boyle Co. and wanting to come to Danville I would feel the same way. I hate to see a player miss their senior year, but from everything I've seen, he shouldn't be eligible to play. Have other players done this very thing in the past, probably, at Danville probably, but were they cleared to play, yes. I think the player at Highlands a few years ago was able to over ride the KHSAA with a court order. But what a mess, and I know its a contriversial topic on this message board. In MY OPINION, when the KHSAA rules, hears an appeal an rules again that should be the end of the matter.

I don't know what all of the answers are, but I don't think that when you are playing under an authority like the KHSAA, and the rules a clear, which in Dunn's case they seem to be, you can hire a lawyer get a court order and over ride the system. I'm not just saying this because I am a Danville fan, if he were leaving Boyle Co. and wanting to come to Danville I would feel the same way. I hate to see a player miss their senior year, but from everything I've seen, he shouldn't be eligible to play. Have other players done this very thing in the past, probably, at Danville probably, but were they cleared to play, yes. I think the player at Highlands a few years ago was able to over ride the KHSAA with a court order. But what a mess, and I know its a contriversial topic on this message board. In MY OPINION, when the KHSAA rules, hears an appeal an rules again that should be the end of the matter.

 

I hear you. I am not mad at them for continuing to appeal since the rules allow it but I understand where you are coming from.

From what i have heard the other two kids played Varsity Basketball and not Varsity Football. Does them playing different sports make a difference?

From what i have heard the other two kids played Varsity Basketball and not Varsity Football. Does them playing different sports make a difference?

 

No, different sport doesn't matter. What matters is did they actually play in a varsity game before transferring? If they didn't play in a varsity game, they can go to any school they want and be eligible. If they did play in a varsity game, they are ineligible unless they can satisfy one of the exceptions listed in the rules.

 

http://www.khsaa.org/handbook/bylaws/bylaw6.pdf

No, different sport doesn't matter. What matters is did they actually play in a varsity game before transferring? If they didn't play in a varsity game, they can go to any school they want and be eligible. If they did play in a varsity game, they are ineligible unless they can satisfy one of the exceptions listed in the rules.

 

http://www.khsaa.org/handbook/bylaws/bylaw6.pdf

 

PurplePride (I think) stated on an earlier page that one of the brothers DID log minutes on varsity before transferring to Boyle. :thumb:

PurplePride (I think) stated on an earlier page that one of the brothers DID log minutes on varsity before transferring to Boyle. :thumb:

 

Then did the player qualify under one of the exceptions in Rule 6?

I don't know what all of the answers are, but I don't think that when you are playing under an authority like the KHSAA, and the rules a clear, which in Dunn's case they seem to be, you can hire a lawyer get a court order and over ride the system. I'm not just saying this because I am a Danville fan, if he were leaving Boyle Co. and wanting to come to Danville I would feel the same way. I hate to see a player miss their senior year, but from everything I've seen, he shouldn't be eligible to play. Have other players done this very thing in the past, probably, at Danville probably, but were they cleared to play, yes. I think the player at Highlands a few years ago was able to over ride the KHSAA with a court order. But what a mess, and I know its a contriversial topic on this message board. In MY OPINION, when the KHSAA rules, hears an appeal an rules again that should be the end of the matter.

 

 

Please keep in mind that the KHSAA rules permit a player to appeal their decision to the judicial system and get an injunction. For the life of me I don't understand folks who think that schools/players need to comply with the KHSAA rules but want to deny the ability to go to court when the rules permit it. Perhaps I'm a slave to my legal training, but that's illogical. I understand that you were just expressing your opinion, but since the KHSAA is a state agency, KRS Chapter 13B guarantees the right to appeal the KHSAA's final decision to the judicial system.

I have to disagree with this statement, although that is the way it is supposed to work. If the school that a kid transfers from does not protest the move, the student-athlete is almost always granted eligibility. I have seen it way too many times locally for it to be a coincidence.

 

Your observation may be different, but I can assure you that many a kid has been denied eligibility when the sending school did not protest.

From what i have heard the other two kids played Varsity Basketball and not Varsity Football. Does them playing different sports make a difference?

 

No. One second of varsity participation in any sanctioned sport automatically creates the year of ineligibility in all sanctioned sports unless a waiver is granted by the KHSAA.

Your observation may be different, but I can assure you that many a kid has been denied eligibility when the sending school did not protest.

 

I'm sure that you are right. I believe that the percentage of kids who are cleared to play goes way up when the sending school does not protest though.

LN: I have not gone back and looked, but I thought you told me that the "sending" schools is not given the opportunity to "protest" the transfer.

 

Does the sending school have this power or not?

LN: I have not gone back and looked, but I thought you told me that the "sending" schools is not given the opportunity to "protest" the transfer.

 

Does the sending school have this power or not?

 

There is nothing on the transfer form that allows for a "protest" to the best of my recollection (I don't have the form in front of me). It's a factual form. If a school wanted to protest, they could contact the KHSAA, outside the form, and express their opinion that a waiver of ineligibility should not be granted and state their reasons.