Well name any team in the 2nd third or 4th or even 5th round that had not been there the year before. I agree the State Titles rest in very few cities, but the road is more open now than it would be with your idea.

 

The road is only more open now that there are 6 state champions-a ridiculous number for the size of the population and number of high schools we have versus other states.

 

So taking it further if we have 10 state champions-well that further opens the road to more teams laying claim to being state champs. And that would be a good thing?

He only has to move if he has already played varsity football for the first school and can not qualify for any of the other waivers. The players who want to change schools that are most adversely affected by the current rule are high school juniors.

 

Sorry. I was assuming the case was that the player already played varisty football at school A. But it really matters not to me. I think if a player and his family puit that much emphasis on playing a sport, and it is improtant wher he plays, he should move it needed without penalty. What's most important is that he is enrolled and going to school somewhere. Athletics comes second. Or so I was taught.

Sorry. I was assuming the case was that the player already played varisty football at school A. But it really matters not to me. I think if a player and his family puit that much emphasis on playing a sport, and it is improtant wher he plays, he should move it needed without penalty. What's most important is that he is enrolled and going to school somewhere. Athletics comes second. Or so I was taught.

 

If athletics came second, we wouldn't have any issues with transfer rules. Go to school, study hard and play hard for your school. Unfortunately, athletics are put above all else in many instances.

While athletics comes second to academics, time after time I'm told by educators that participation in athletics has a great impact (favorably) on how well a student does in the classroom. Better grades; better attendance; less discipline issues and so on. So while academics comes first the role that athletics plays on academics shouldn't be forgotten. The most important part of athletics should be participation and not on wins and losses. The transfer rule was put in place by adults worried about wins and losses; not worried about participation in my opinion. I don't care where they play; I don't care what impact transfers may have on wins and losses; I just want the kids playing, receiving the many benefits of participation, and off of the couch and the street corner.

While athletics comes second to academics, time after time I'm told by educators that participation in athletics has a great impact (favorably) on how well a student does in the classroom. Better grades; better attendance; less discipline issues and so on. So while academics comes first the role that athletics plays on academics shouldn't be forgotten. The most important part of athletics should be participation and not on wins and losses. The transfer rule was put in place by adults worried about wins and losses; not worried about participation in my opinion. I don't care where they play; I don't care what impact transfers may have on wins and losses; I just want the kids playing, receiving the many benefits of participation, and off of the couch and the street corner.

 

Agreed. More often than not, the best disciplinarians in a high school are the coaches.

While athletics comes second to academics, time after time I'm told by educators that participation in athletics has a great impact (favorably) on how well a student does in the classroom. Better grades; better attendance; less discipline issues and so on. So while academics comes first the role that athletics plays on academics shouldn't be forgotten. The most important part of athletics should be participation and not on wins and losses. The transfer rule was put in place by adults worried about wins and losses; not worried about participation in my opinion. I don't care where they play; I don't care what impact transfers may have on wins and losses; I just want the kids playing, receiving the many benefits of participation, and off of the couch and the street corner.

 

I agree with the positives that participation bring. However, I think allowing a kid to shop himself around teaches the opposite of what football is meant to teach. Such things as accountability to an organization, self sacrifice, team over me, are lost if kids are allowed to transfer every time they don't get their way IMO. I think that shouldn't be forgotten when we talk about the transfer rule. This child may learn a very important life lesson through this ineligability. It is not one that he wants to learn I am sure, but one that may serve him in his future.

I agree with the positives that participation bring. However, I think allowing a kid to shop himself around teaches the opposite of what football is meant to teach. Such things as accountability to an organization, self sacrifice, team over me, are lost if kids are allowed to transfer every time they don't get their way IMO. I think that shouldn't be forgotten when we talk about the transfer rule. This child may learn a very important life lesson through this ineligability. It is not one that he wants to learn I am sure, but one that may serve him in his future.

 

It is a gross mischaracterization to say or imply that the reason a lot of kids transfer is simply because they don't get their way, in my opinion after studing a whole lot of transfers. You are right about some, but those are in the small minority.

 

If you are going to talk about accountability to an organization, team over me, etc why don't we apply those values to the adults surrounding the kids: to coaches that leave a team to take a better coaching position; teachers that switch schools to teach at a district with higher pay or less discipline problems; administrators that switch schools also for various reasons. If they can have the unfettered right to switch, it seems very, very hypocritical to not allow athletes to do the same. Aren't the adults supposed to be the role models for the kids and not the other way around? Oh I get it; it's fine for a teacher, coach or administrator to switch jobs to better his and his family's lifes, but it's not okay for a kid to switch schools to better his/her chances of getting a scholarship; to play for a coach that the player and parents believe is a better role model; to get more playing time (that is the reason a whole lot of kids play athletics you know; to get on the field, court or pitch. Not sit on the bench). Sorry coaches, teachers and administrators if you just been offended; I just have a very hard time understanding the double standard involved here particularly when we are holding kids to a higher standard than we are holding adults.

I don't think some people realize what a mess our athletic programs would be in if transfer rules were not in place. There would be wide spread recruiting amongst communities to play at better programs and high school football doesn't need recruiting to be a part of the game.

 

Like someone said earlier, the Dunn's knew the rules and ignored them, no one is blaming them, rather they are blaming the enforcers of the rules.

 

From what I was told, they were told he had to be enrolled at Boyle County by January 5th to be eligible to play football in the fall so he enrolled at Boyle County by January 5th. His father lives in Boyle County territory so he moved in with his father to be eligible to attend Boyle County. He was ruled ineligible. From what I understand(unofficially, of course)Their argument is that they did what they were told and he moved in with his dad to make it a legal move. Their argument is why can't I live with my father if I want to and attend the school that is in the district of his place of residence.

 

If what I heard today is true.........:eek:.........stay tuned. Things are going to get interesting.

It is a gross mischaracterization to say or imply that the reason a lot of kids transfer is simply because they don't get their way, in my opinion after studing a whole lot of transfers. You are right about some, but those are in the small minority.

 

If you are going to talk about accountability to an organization, team over me, etc why don't we apply those values to the adults surrounding the kids: to coaches that leave a team to take a better coaching position; teachers that switch schools to teach at a district with higher pay or less discipline problems; administrators that switch schools also for various reasons. If they can have the unfettered right to switch, it seems very, very hypocritical to not allow athletes to do the same. Aren't the adults supposed to be the role models for the kids and not the other way around? Oh I get it; it's fine for a teacher, coach or administrator to switch jobs to better his and his family's lifes, but it's not okay for a kid to switch schools to better his/her chances of getting a scholarship; to play for a coach that the player and parents believe is a better role model; to get more playing time (that is the reason a whole lot of kids play athletics you know; to get on the field, court or pitch. Not sit on the bench). Sorry coaches, teachers and administrators if you just been offended; I just have a very hard time understanding the double standard involved here particularly when we are holding kids to a higher standard than we are holding adults.

 

Excellent post. Excellent excellent post.:thumb:

Excellent post. Excellent excellent post.:thumb:

 

I subscribe to the theory: that if you make enough posts you'll eventually make a good one.

It is a gross mischaracterization to say or imply that the reason a lot of kids transfer is simply because they don't get their way, in my opinion after studing a whole lot of transfers. You are right about some, but those are in the small minority.

 

If you are going to talk about accountability to an organization, team over me, etc why don't we apply those values to the adults surrounding the kids: to coaches that leave a team to take a better coaching position; teachers that switch schools to teach at a district with higher pay or less discipline problems; administrators that switch schools also for various reasons. If they can have the unfettered right to switch, it seems very, very hypocritical to not allow athletes to do the same. Aren't the adults supposed to be the role models for the kids and not the other way around? Oh I get it; it's fine for a teacher, coach or administrator to switch jobs to better his and his family's lifes, but it's not okay for a kid to switch schools to better his/her chances of getting a scholarship; to play for a coach that the player and parents believe is a better role model; to get more playing time (that is the reason a whole lot of kids play athletics you know; to get on the field, court or pitch. Not sit on the bench). Sorry coaches, teachers and administrators if you just been offended; I just have a very hard time understanding the double standard involved here particularly when we are holding kids to a higher standard than we are holding adults.

 

Your comparing people's careers to playing a sport. Also, most of the people, not all, in the field that your talking about, have learned those lessons at some point in their lives to even want to be a teacher and a coach. As bad as the pay vs. schooling in these areas are, it is easy to see why people would want to work in a more competative district. Especially with some districts reducing pay due to budget cuts. However, how does adults being self-serving justify teaching kids to be self-serving? It is a very slipery slope when you justify teaching children self-serving behavior through means that have traditionally been meant to teach the opposite. We could debate all day why kids transfer, but imo, most do it to have a better chance at winning, not at participating. How many athletic transfers could you name through your experience that weren't already participating before they transfered?

While it appears that everyone is focusing on "Following the Rules" some have forgotten to follow the rules of Bluegrasspresp.

 

4. No recruiting comments or allegations of KHSAA rules violations by any school, coach, player or booster are allowed. No comments about where any player lives, has lived, or where they are from in a recruiting context. This is not the place to report KHSAA violations. Feel free to contact www.khsaa.org to report such violations, but do not discuss violations here.

Someone can start a new thread if they wish to take about following the rules.