So if your stupid in the 7th grade your stupid for life; come on lets at least be realistic. Very disappointing comments...

 

Are you saying because a kid gets vocational training he's stupid??

As a teacher I agree.

 

 

School day should be 7-11 and 12-4.

 

After a person turns 15, if they show no want to go to college they go to mandatory VoCo training.

 

How about instead of Voca. They get their training in the military:popcorn:

So if your stupid in the 7th grade your stupid for life; come on lets at least be realistic. Very disappointing comments...

 

You just said that.

 

So your saying anyone who goes to Vocational school and does not earn a college degree is stupid?

Before we make big assumptions, I don't necessarily buy into the fact that all of these other countries are knocking our socks off on the test.

 

a. Often times, when you are testing American seniors on these math tests, you are testing 20 and 21 year students from other countries, the equivalent of college sophomore, at least.

 

b. Many of the math/science questions are asked in metric form, forcing Americans to not only do the math part but also make unfamiliar conversions

 

c. We generally test everyone, especially now in Kentucky, other places only test their top students

 

d. How does Shakespeare translate to japanese and chinese? Is it as hard/harder/simpler to understand.

 

I don't buy that we are that far behind in the first place, but it sure makes for good talking points.

Where are we going to get the funding for the teachers to work the extra time? Make them do it for free and you will ultimately weed out some great people that otherwise would be molding the minds of our future.

 

You will also weed some out even if you pay them because call it wrong or not everyone looks at the incentives before taking a job, and the summers off are a big one in education.

 

Do we really need the extra time or do we need to do a better job with the time that we have with the children?

 

Lastly, forget the kids in AAU sports and how much it will effect them for now and let's look at an even more serious issue. What about the kids that work full or part time during the summer to help out their family or even save for college? Whose going to hire these kids for that short of a time? NOONE!

 

I see more problems than positives. I may be jumping the gun and looking at it one sided as I am 2 years from a degree in special education, but I just do not think it is a good idea.

So it is the KIDS fault?:confused:

 

Are you a teacher? If you were, you would know that most students lose their attention (especially primary students) after 30 minutes...adding 15 minutes to each of the classes will make some classes over an hour long.

Tough luck.

 

Some of us riff-raff have to work year-round....you can do it, too.

 

Always a good reason...if I have to, you should too. :ohbrother:

As an educator, I do believe their needs to be some restructuing in the schools. However, this will prove to be futile if the parents are not held accountable for the student's attendance. Some want to blame teachers for the lack of productivity they get from their students. But when it comes to your child's education you have to be held accountable as well. We get no support from several parents. It is our fault Johnny falls asleep in class, it is our fault Johnny is continuously rude, disrespectful and disruptive. Maybe other countries are surpassing us because they have been taught discipline, respect for others as well as themselves, and accountability. Something that seems to be lost on parenting skills in today's society.

As an educator, I do believe their needs to be some restructuing in the schools. However, this will prove to be futile if the parents are not held accountable for the student's attendance. Some want to blame teachers for the lack of productivity they get from their students. But when it comes to your child's education you have to be held accountable as well. We get no support from several parents. It is our fault Johnny falls asleep in class, it is our fault Johnny is continuously rude, disrespectful and disruptive. Maybe other countries are surpassing us because they have been taught discipline, respect for others as well as themselves, and accountability. Something that seems to be lost on parenting skills in today's society.

 

Agreed:thumb:

How does Arne Duncan know? He has never taught in a classroom.

How does Arne Duncan know? He has never taught in a classroom.

 

Neither have most of the people that make the "rules" about what we teach. :sssh:

If the President wants to compare us to other countries, than what about educating kids like they do in some of those countries we get compared to?

 

You know the ones that do not test every kid because not every kid is being educated.

 

In our country, every kid deserves an education so every kid gets tested.

Not true in other countries where only the best and brightest get tested and educated to that level.

Before we make big assumptions, I don't necessarily buy into the fact that all of these other countries are knocking our socks off on the test.

 

a. Often times, when you are testing American seniors on these math tests, you are testing 20 and 21 year students from other countries, the equivalent of college sophomore, at least.

 

b. Many of the math/science questions are asked in metric form, forcing Americans to not only do the math part but also make unfamiliar conversions

 

c. We generally test everyone, especially now in Kentucky, other places only test their top students

 

d. How does Shakespeare translate to japanese and chinese? Is it as hard/harder/simpler to understand.

 

I don't buy that we are that far behind in the first place, but it sure makes for good talking points.

 

Preach on my brother. You said what I was trying to say much better.:thumb:

How do we explain the shortagle of US citizens filling the high-paying high-demand positions in the engineering field? Do they not want a job? Do they not want the highest salary for college grads?

 

It would seem to indicate to me that we need to do something about the fields of math and science? It would seem to tell me that our current system is not working.

 

Am I wrong? Should we keep the math and science education as is?

If the President wants to compare us to other countries, than what about educating kids like they do in some of those countries we get compared to?

 

You know the ones that do not test every kid because not every kid is being educated.

 

In our country, every kid deserves an education so every kid gets tested.

Not true in other countries where only the best and brightest get tested and educated to that level.

 

:thumb: This is what I was trying to say in my earlier post. :thumb: