If Newt can be rehabbed to the point of being considered seriously for high-profile national office, so can Gov. Palin.

If Newt can be rehabbed to the point of being considered seriously for high-profile national office, so can Gov. Palin.

 

True, but time heals all wounds. Same thing holds true for Bill Clinton- his affair took a hit on his public image, but over time it has been (for the most part) forgiven and forgotten- remember, he was mentioned as a possible VP candidate if Hilary won the nomination (despite the unconstitutionality)

I just saw this article and this particular quote is amazing:

 

No legal "bombshell" or personal scandal lies behind Palin's resignation, but off-color jokes by talk-show host David Letterman contributed to her decision to step down, Thomas Van Flein said.

 

If she can't take a joke by a late night host then she has ZERO business running for a national office.

 

The more I've thought about it...I'm closer to coming to the conclusion that she is now a complete joke herself.

Palin has a martyr/persecution complex that she milks very well, and much of that appeals to those on the far right, which continually looks for ways to further their agenda of blaming the "liberal media" for such scrutiny.

 

She gets such scrutiny because she was a candidate for the #2 office in the land, not because she's a righty. If she wants to shy away from that, she needs to diminish her national political profile.

If Newt can be rehabbed to the point of being considered seriously for high-profile national office, so can Gov. Palin.

 

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Stuff blows over much faster these days...if this does turn out bad for her, she can rebound from it.

 

A couple of good moves by her, a couple of new news cycles about other people, and this will be a distant memory.

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Stuff blows over much faster these days...if this does turn out bad for her, she can rebound from it.

 

A couple of good moves by her, a couple of new news cycles about other people, and this will be a distant memory.

 

Thank you. Some one gets the point I was obviously struggling to make. And those that don't have a strong bias or dislike for her will get over her missteps easier and quicker.

Did she say something to the effect of, "the point guard will win this game" in reference to herself? A friend told me that.

 

Yes. She sort of mixed sports metaphors (unless she doesn't understand basketball). She went from the PG keeping her eye on the basket to keeping her eye on the ball.

 

It was really a strange speech.

Let's keep the discussion of bias in the context used in this thread. We are talking about bias to the degree that one cannot or will not fairly assess and apply information to over come that bias. Habib has admitted that he does not like Palin (to what extent I'll let him say, but from my observations, it's a pretty strong dislike). Frankly, I accordingly don't expect him to give her the benefit of any doubt. But I do think it's possible that other voters, who may not have a dislike or as strong of a dislike as Habib, to view her actions differently than Habib does.

 

I'm not trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes, including my own, as I think she'd have a difficult row to hoe if she ran for national office in 12. But she has shown an ability to speak with an energy around her; she is an attractive person; she is a female; she is young, and she is not from Potomac Ave but is rather from rural Main Street. I think she has the possibility of rehabbing her reputation and think it's premature to write her off with the time remaining before the primaries begin. Who knows, I may be wrong. If she decides to run, we'll see.

 

No question bias towards Palin drives reaction. Guilty as charged as I find her to be all fluff and , frankly, I don't believe half the stuff that she says.

 

It may be premature to write her off but she'll suffer the same fate as McCain if she doesn't completely rehab her image. Playing only to the far right will not get you elected. Zero chance unless the incumbent POTUS has completely screwed things up.

I just saw this article and this particular quote is amazing:

 

 

 

If she can't take a joke by a late night host then she has ZERO business running for a national office.

 

The more I've thought about it...I'm closer to coming to the conclusion that she is now a complete joke herself.

 

Bill Clinton just called. He says to for her to call him if she truly wants to hear about someone taking shots from the comedy circuit.

No question bias towards Palin drives reaction. Guilty as charged as I find her to be all fluff and , frankly, I don't believe half the stuff that she says.

 

It may be premature to write her off but she'll suffer the same fate as McCain if she doesn't completely rehab her image. Playing only to the far right will not get you elected. Zero chance unless the incumbent POTUS has completely screwed things up.

 

I didn't believe 5% of the stuff the great O said and he got elected. Saying stuff and backing it up are two entirely different things.

 

She may not even be wanting to stay in politics. Maybe she got a huge offer to do a show and she's taking it now while she's a big name and cashing in. When she ran for mayor of a small town I doubt these opportunities ever crossed her mind. I couldn't blame her. She really has no chance at becoming president in 12 anyway IMO.

Bill Clinton just called. He says to for her to call him if she truly wants to hear about someone taking shots from the comedy circuit.

 

Did his daughter get mentioned in the same manner as Palin's? He brought a lot of the things that were aimed at him upon himself. When she was being made fun of she took it in stride and even made an appearance on SNL to go along w/ the joke. When her daught being raped was mentioned or her special needs son were brought up she took offense. It's a tad different.

You sure about this? She SAYS she doesn't want to be on the job supposedly representing Alaska whilst campaigning for a national position, right?

 

That doesn't seem like an odd statement?

 

Yes, I'm sure. I don't think it's an odd statment at all. I think there was a huge difference in her circumstances and the others, don't you? I know there was a huge difference in the time spans.

 

However, now if she decides to run her circumstance is identical to where Clinton, Obama and McCain were a couple years ago. Yet they sure didn't resign to run. That puts her up on them in my mind.

No question bias towards Palin drives reaction. Guilty as charged as I find her to be all fluff and , frankly, I don't believe half the stuff that she says.

 

It may be premature to write her off but she'll suffer the same fate as McCain if she doesn't completely rehab her image. Playing only to the far right will not get you elected. Zero chance unless the incumbent POTUS has completely screwed things up.

 

 

I totally agree with that point. Obama may turn out to be as liberal as they come, but he talked a more moderate message on the trail. The extreme left wing of the Democratic Party didn't scream in revolt as he preached his more moderate message and they didn't threaten to fail to turn out and vote, as the extreme right wing of the Republican Party did with McCain. I truly wonder if the extreme right wing of the Republican Party bears a large responsibility for Obama winning. I wonder if they had not come on so strongly about McCain being too moderate and threatening not to vote, whether Palin would have been selected as McCain's VP. Palin may have helped mollify the far right wing, but she did turn off a whole lot of moderates to McCain which may have cost him the election. Seems to me the far left figured out that a candidate that advocates a far left message on the stump can't get elected, so they shut their mouths during the campaign and let their candidate get elected, with the understanding and hope if their candidate gets elected, he/she will then push their agenda. Will be interesting to see if the far right wing of the Republican Party is as politically smart as Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpeton, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. God, I hope so as that's not a very high bar.

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Bill Clinton just called. He says to for her to call him if she truly wants to hear about someone taking shots from the comedy circuit.

 

I know you just like to stir things up at times, but surely you can see the difference between the Clinton situation and the Palin situation. Please don't tell me you can't as I'd seriously lose a lot of respect for you.

I totally agree with that point. Obama may turn out to be as liberal as they come, but he talked a more moderate message on the trail. The extreme left wing of the Democratic Party didn't scream in revolt as he preached his more moderate message and they didn't threaten to fail to turn out and vote, as the extreme right wing of the Republican Party did with McCain. I truly wonder if the extreme right wing of the Republican Party bears a large responsibility for Obama winning. I wonder if they had not come on so strongly about McCain being too moderate and threatening not to vote, whether Palin would have been selected as McCain's VP. Palin may have helped mollify the far right wing, but she did turn off a whole lot of moderates to McCain which may have cost him the election. Seems to me the far left figured out that a candidate that advocates a far left message on the stump can't get elected, so they shut their mouths during the campaign and let their candidate get elected, with the understanding and hope if their candidate gets elected, he/she will then push their agenda. Will be interesting to see if the far right wing of the Republican Party is as politically smart as Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpeton, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. God, I hope so as that's not a very high bar.

 

Frankly, IMO, the far right of the Republican Party is every bit as scary and odius as the far left of the Democratic Party. IMO (again), the majority of the people in the United States, regardless of their party affiliation want a moderate governement. You are right, Obama walked a great moderate line in the campaign. Personally, I still believe he's more moderate than he is any of the names he's called here on BGP. (Don't know about other places as I quit reading political sites and articles months and months ago). I'm not sure that Palin can escape her messages from the 08 Campaign. I don't personally thinks she wants to. But, her trick is to somehow galvanize the right leaning moderates. She'll have to soften her stance some, and she'll have to appear to be willing to consider the "other" point of view, and she may also need to appear willing to compromise in some areas. I don't think she's the type of person who is willing to compromise, or consider other points of view. I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing for her personally, but it would be killer to her politically, IMO.