Let's keep the discussion of bias in the context used in this thread. We are talking about bias to the degree that one cannot or will not fairly assess and apply information to over come that bias. Habib has admitted that he does not like Palin (to what extent I'll let him say, but from my observations, it's a pretty strong dislike). Frankly, I accordingly don't expect him to give her the benefit of any doubt. But I do think it's possible that other voters, who may not have a dislike or as strong of a dislike as Habib, to view her actions differently than Habib does.

 

I'm not trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes, including my own, as I think she'd have a difficult row to hoe if she ran for national office in 12. But she has shown an ability to speak with an energy around her; she is an attractive person; she is a female; she is young, and she is not from Potomac Ave but is rather from rural Main Street. I think she has the possibility of rehabbing her reputation and think it's premature to write her off with the time remaining before the primaries begin. Who knows, I may be wrong. If she decides to run, we'll see.

 

 

Question, do you not see the parallel in what you are saying above about how people's biases color their views of Palin, and similar biases coloring people's views of Obama?

Did she say something to the effect of, "the point guard will win this game" in reference to herself? A friend told me that.

 

 

She totally lost me when she started with the basketball game analogy. I think she did say something like that. Frankly, I know so little about basketball I don't know if she's right or not. If she's not right, then I'd say she'd likely lose the Kentucky vote, as they're all experts in basketball. Kentucky fans will never forget that she played the game and made the wrong analogy.

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Question, do you not see the parallel in what you are saying above about how people's biases color their views of Palin, and similar biases coloring people's views of Obama?

 

Of course I see the parallel. I'm not stupid. I think there are plenty of folks on here that unfairly criticize every move by Obama because they didn't vote for him and don't like him, just like there are plenty of folks on here that unfairly criticized Bush because they didn't vote for him or liked him either. Extremely sad and disappointing. Although I try to rationalize the sickening behavior by thinking a lot of people on here really don't think the way they post; rather they either get caught up in the arguing and overstate their feelings, or they just like to stir things up and try to irritate others.

No question bias towards Palin drives reaction. Guilty as charged as I find her to be all fluff and , frankly, I don't believe half the stuff that she says.

 

It may be premature to write her off but she'll suffer the same fate as McCain if she doesn't completely rehab her image. Playing only to the far right will not get you elected. Zero chance unless the incumbent POTUS has completely screwed things up.

 

My feeling EXACTLY on Obama.

 

IMVHO Obama flatly lied and ACTED moderate to become president and many gullible moderates fell for it hook line and sinker.

My feeling EXACTLY on Obama.

 

IMVHO Obama flatly lied and ACTED moderate to become president and many gullible moderates fell for it hook line and sinker.

 

If so, is this the first time a presidential candidate has lied? Has acted? If you don't think so, you are being naive. President Bush told many a tale on the campaign trail only to do something different in office. You can go back 200+ years and see the same song-and-dance. As I've said a million times, if the people are unhappy with Obama, it will show in the next election. If not, then he'll win again.

If so, is this the first time a presidential candidate has lied? Has acted? If you don't think so, you are being naive. President Bush told many a tale on the campaign trail only to do something different in office. You can go back 200+ years and see the same song-and-dance. As I've said a million times, if the people are unhappy with Obama, it will show in the next election. If not, then he'll win again.

 

Exactly.

 

And I thought this thread was about Gov. Palin.

If so, is this the first time a presidential candidate has lied? Has acted? If you don't think so, you are being naive. President Bush told many a tale on the campaign trail only to do something different in office. You can go back 200+ years and see the same song-and-dance. As I've said a million times, if the people are unhappy with Obama, it will show in the next election. If not, then he'll win again.

 

You realize of course that just because others may have acted improperly doesn't justify Obama acting improperly. If you have young children, you surely have given the "just because Johnny uses curse words doesn't mean its okay for you to use curse words" speech.

 

Having said that, I'm more disappointed with the American voters that let their emotions control their voting decision. Many were upset with Bush (some fairly, some unfairly). Rather than looking at Obama's past voting record and using their brain and logic to make the decision, many relied on their heart and emotions and believed his campaign rhetoric. What amazes me the most about that is the fact that people state (and post on here) over and over again that you shouldn't listen to what politicians say, because they will say anything to get elected. Then what do the American voters do? Why they let their decisions be based on what a politician says and not based on what the politician has done. And when the politician gets elected doesn't do what he/she said he/she would do, they actually criticize the politician for not being true to the campaign promises. Kind of ironic, isn't it?

You realize of course that just because others may have acted improperly doesn't justify Obama acting improperly. If you have young children, you surely have given the "just because Johnny uses curse words doesn't mean its okay for you to use curse words" speech.

 

Having said that, I'm more disappointed with the American voters that let their emotions control their voting decision. Many were upset with Bush (some fairly, some unfairly). Rather than looking at Obama's past voting record and using their brain and logic to make the decision, many relied on their heart and emotions and believed his campaign rhetoric. What amazes me the most about that is the fact that people state (and post on here) over and over again that you shouldn't listen to what politicians say, because they will say anything to get elected. Then what do the American voters do? Why they let their decisions be based on what a politician says and not based on what the politician has done. And when the politician gets elected doesn't do what he/she said he/she would do, they actually criticize the politician for not being true to the campaign promises. Kind of ironic, isn't it?

 

To the bolded I am with you there. Any decision based on emotion is much more likely to be an irrational decision than one based on sound thought and logic. I know we all periodically get caught up in an emotional response, anger is usually the one in my case(especially when the slots bill died in committee), but I personally think that we really ought to suppress emotion as best we can when walking into the voting booth. Vote on issues, not feeling.

To the bolded I am with you there. Any decision based on emotion is much more likely to be an irrational decision than one based on sound thought and logic. I know we all periodically get caught up in an emotional response, anger is usually the one in my case(especially when the slots bill died in committee), but I personally think that we really ought to suppress emotion as best we can when walking into the voting booth. Vote on issues, not feeling.

 

Gosh, don't let the mislabeled "pro-lifers" hear you say that. They may get mad.

Gosh, don't let the mislabeled "pro-lifers" hear you say that. They may get mad.

 

 

Considering the comments I have made on here over the years, making someone mad is half the fun. :clap:

Did his daughter get mentioned in the same manner as Palin's? He brought a lot of the things that were aimed at him upon himself. When she was being made fun of she took it in stride and even made an appearance on SNL to go along w/ the joke. When her daught being raped was mentioned or her special needs son were brought up she took offense. It's a tad different.

When was a rape joke made about her daughter?

When was a rape joke made about her daughter?

 

More an eventual statutory rape joke. When Letterman made the joke about the kid getting pregnant by a Yankees player and all the unnecessary brouhaha that cropped up because it turns out he thought it was a different daughter, not the underage one.

 

You know, Citizens for Decent Literature getting their panties in a knot.

More an eventual statutory rape joke. When Letterman made the joke about the kid getting pregnant by a Yankees player and all the unnecessary brouhaha that cropped up because it turns out he thought it was a different daughter, not the underage one.

 

You know, Citizens for Decent Literature getting their panties in a knot.

That's what I thought I remembered. Sorry folks, but to me that's not a rape joke. He thought he was making fun of the daughter who is of age.

 

I'm still sticking by my opinion that with her thin-skin, Palin has no business entering the realm of national politics.

That's what I thought I remembered. Sorry folks, but to me that's not a rape joke. He thought he was making fun of the daughter who is of age.

 

I'm still sticking by my opinion that with her thin-skin, Palin has no business entering the realm of national politics.

 

Then again, GWB has skin as thin as cheap, single-ply toilet paper, and was able to make it work (for him, not the rest of the country), so who knows?