OK, so go ahead and kill them in their sleep? Is that what you're telling me here? I think not.

If a woman stays after one beating, it makes no sense to me. There's your proof right there, get a restraining order and take the kids and go. Don't stay for beating after beating.

 

You just don't get it.

This was a fair and just outcome and I for one hope she make parole in 2011 .

Will this case change how the Ft Thomas please respond? If I remember correctly, this case was not handled well as far as the initial reaction. Lost logs of people entering the scene. Moving the body. Possible contamination. Camera had the wrong date and time on it. I may not be clear on all of the problems but the perception I had is that is was not handled well.

 

My first reaction to this was that its simply a case of not having experience but then someone straightened me out pointing out that's their job to be ready and to handle it properly.

You just don't get it.

Two way street.

This was a fair and just outcome and I for one hope she make parole in 2011 .

You know something we don't?

My wife writes checks out of my checkbook. When I married her I pretty much conceded that it was OUR money and not mine. That was a lame take by Snodgrass to go that route. Deep down I think Snodgrass knew what the outcome was going to be on this and that she couldnt get her on Murder 1.

 

But it sounds like their relationship was different, where they each had accounts as well as comingled funds. Writing the checks out of the back and forging a signature is a little different, don't you think?

OK, so go ahead and kill them in their sleep? Is that what you're telling me here? I think not.

If a woman stays after one beating, it makes no sense to me. There's your proof right there, get a restraining order and take the kids and go. Don't stay for beating after beating.

 

I understand where you are coming from, but too many times I have seen the news where a women, and or her family are killed by the spouse even though there was a restraining order. It's only a piece of paper, not a bullet proof vest.

I understand where you are coming from, but too many times I have seen the news where a women, and or her family are killed by the spouse even though there was a restraining order. It's only a piece of paper, not a bullet proof vest.

Understood, that's why you leave. It wouldn't hurt to carry a gun for protection either.

Understood, that's why you leave. It wouldn't hurt to carry a gun for protection either.

 

 

Consider this scenario:

 

You ask your husband for money, he gets furious, an argument ensues, and he winds up beating the heck out of you. A few hours later, he aplogizes and promises it never will happen again.

 

You don't report it, he's apologized. It's a one time deal, you tell yourself.

 

You're in the same situation again, needing to buy something, and he freaks out on you again. Once again, he comes to you apologizing, telling you it will never, EVER happen again. You don't report it again. He's your husband, after all. You must remember not to upset him. It's really your own fault, because he doesn't do it when you don't hound him for money.

 

Maybe 6 or 8 months go by, and there's an issue that's arisen. Maybe your daughter wants to go to a dance, and you need to buy her a gown. It's been a good amount of time, nothing untoward has happened. You're certain the bad times are over. You approach your husband, and bam! Back to being beat. You can't believe it! But, he tells you he's sorry, and again, you're not hurt badly enough that you can't explain away the bruises and cuts.

 

This cycle continues for years. But as the years go by, it's not just money that sets him off, it begins to seem like it's anything you do. The beatings may not be as bad each time. You tell him you're leaving him, and he tells you that you can't take the kids. If you take the kids, he'll kill you. If you take the kids, he'll track you down, he'll call the police and have you thrown in jail. You worry about their saftey if you leave and he takes his anger out on them. You really have nowhere to go anyway. Who would believe you were such an idiot to stay? Who would believe that your husband, the fine, upstanding citizen in your town whom EVERYONE loves would do this to you?

 

Increasingly, you've withdrawn from your family and friends because your running out of excuses to explain away the bruises and cuts. You've been to the hospital a few times. But, it's never been often enough to raise any alarms at the emergency room. You pray someone will ask you. But they don't. They treat your physical symptoms, never suspecting there's anything amiss.

 

Inside, you're screaming for help. It's as bad as if you'd been trapped. You're psychological state is a mess. You're two people. You go to work, you attend the kids functions, you are at your husband's side in public. But you know when you get home, that the nightmare can erupt at any minute. You aren't sleeping. You're on pins and needles all the time. You feel like a coward for staying. But you feel like a coward if you leave. You have no home to take the kids to. He doesn't abuse them, so how can you justify taking them? But how can you leave them? You don't trust that his temper won't turn on them. And you KNOW he's going to be furious when he finds out you're gone.

 

Your job won't support all of you on your own. You really don't have access to money that he won't find out. You don't want to rip the kids from their schools, friends, family and run across country. Well, you want to, but you know they won't want to go. You're their mother! How can you leave them?

 

 

 

 

 

RTS....those are real thoughts, real fears, real issues faced by battered wives and mothers. It's not as simple as leaving. You are simply way off base in your simple solution.

^Those are not exaggerated, I have heard the same story many times.

 

 

I'm not disagreeing that killing someone as they sleep is right. But, I'm vehemently disagreeing with the "they can leave, they need to understand that" part of your statement. I urge you to go to your local women's shelter and volunteer. I urge you to do some investigation into Battered Women Syndrome. It's not as simple as you are seeing it. Please, do look into it.

 

I agree with you, but I still believe that there should be a heavy burden of proof on this defense. I believe it is severely overused.

 

That doesnt discount that it is a serious situation, just needs to be proved IMO.

I understand where you are coming from, but too many times I have seen the news where a women, and or her family are killed by the spouse even though there was a restraining order. It's only a piece of paper, not a bullet proof vest.

 

If you have seen too many times of the spouse getting killed, how many times have you seen it where the restraining order works, the wife moves out, goes to court, custody is decided, they get divorced and nobody gets killed in their sleep? I think that happens a lot more than what is highlighted in the media. We have a court system for a reason.

Consider this scenario:

 

You ask your husband for money, he gets furious, an argument ensues, and he winds up beating the heck out of you. A few hours later, he aplogizes and promises it never will happen again.

 

You don't report it, he's apologized. It's a one time deal, you tell yourself.

 

You're in the same situation again, needing to buy something, and he freaks out on you again. Once again, he comes to you apologizing, telling you it will never, EVER happen again. You don't report it again. He's your husband, after all. You must remember not to upset him. It's really your own fault, because he doesn't do it when you don't hound him for money.

 

Maybe 6 or 8 months go by, and there's an issue that's arisen. Maybe your daughter wants to go to a dance, and you need to buy her a gown. It's been a good amount of time, nothing untoward has happened. You're certain the bad times are over. You approach your husband, and bam! Back to being beat. You can't believe it! But, he tells you he's sorry, and again, you're not hurt badly enough that you can't explain away the bruises and cuts.

 

This cycle continues for years. But as the years go by, it's not just money that sets him off, it begins to seem like it's anything you do. The beatings may not be as bad each time. You tell him you're leaving him, and he tells you that you can't take the kids. If you take the kids, he'll kill you. If you take the kids, he'll track you down, he'll call the police and have you thrown in jail. You worry about their saftey if you leave and he takes his anger out on them. You really have nowhere to go anyway. Who would believe you were such an idiot to stay? Who would believe that your husband, the fine, upstanding citizen in your town whom EVERYONE loves would do this to you?

 

Increasingly, you've withdrawn from your family and friends because your running out of excuses to explain away the bruises and cuts. You've been to the hospital a few times. But, it's never been often enough to raise any alarms at the emergency room. You pray someone will ask you. But they don't. They treat your physical symptoms, never suspecting there's anything amiss.

 

Inside, you're screaming for help. It's as bad as if you'd been trapped. You're psychological state is a mess. You're two people. You go to work, you attend the kids functions, you are at your husband's side in public. But you know when you get home, that the nightmare can erupt at any minute. You aren't sleeping. You're on pins and needles all the time. You feel like a coward for staying. But you feel like a coward if you leave. You have no home to take the kids to. He doesn't abuse them, so how can you justify taking them? But how can you leave them? You don't trust that his temper won't turn on them. And you KNOW he's going to be furious when he finds out you're gone.

 

Your job won't support all of you on your own. You really don't have access to money that he won't find out. You don't want to rip the kids from their schools, friends, family and run across country. Well, you want to, but you know they won't want to go. You're their mother! How can you leave them?

 

 

 

 

 

RTS....those are real thoughts, real fears, real issues faced by battered wives and mothers. It's not as simple as leaving. You are simply way off base in your simple solution.

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If you have seen too many times of the spouse getting killed, how many times have you seen it where the restraining order works, the wife moves out, goes to court, custody is decided, they get divorced and nobody gets killed in their sleep? I think that happens a lot more than what is highlighted in the media. We have a court system for a reason.

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Consider this scenario:

 

You ask your husband for money, he gets furious, an argument ensues, and he winds up beating the heck out of you. A few hours later, he aplogizes and promises it never will happen again.

 

You don't report it, he's apologized. It's a one time deal, you tell yourself.

 

You're in the same situation again, needing to buy something, and he freaks out on you again. Once again, he comes to you apologizing, telling you it will never, EVER happen again. You don't report it again. He's your husband, after all. You must remember not to upset him. It's really your own fault, because he doesn't do it when you don't hound him for money.

 

Maybe 6 or 8 months go by, and there's an issue that's arisen. Maybe your daughter wants to go to a dance, and you need to buy her a gown. It's been a good amount of time, nothing untoward has happened. You're certain the bad times are over. You approach your husband, and bam! Back to being beat. You can't believe it! But, he tells you he's sorry, and again, you're not hurt badly enough that you can't explain away the bruises and cuts.

 

This cycle continues for years. But as the years go by, it's not just money that sets him off, it begins to seem like it's anything you do. The beatings may not be as bad each time. You tell him you're leaving him, and he tells you that you can't take the kids. If you take the kids, he'll kill you. If you take the kids, he'll track you down, he'll call the police and have you thrown in jail. You worry about their saftey if you leave and he takes his anger out on them. You really have nowhere to go anyway. Who would believe you were such an idiot to stay? Who would believe that your husband, the fine, upstanding citizen in your town whom EVERYONE loves would do this to you?

 

Increasingly, you've withdrawn from your family and friends because your running out of excuses to explain away the bruises and cuts. You've been to the hospital a few times. But, it's never been often enough to raise any alarms at the emergency room. You pray someone will ask you. But they don't. They treat your physical symptoms, never suspecting there's anything amiss.

 

Inside, you're screaming for help. It's as bad as if you'd been trapped. You're psychological state is a mess. You're two people. You go to work, you attend the kids functions, you are at your husband's side in public. But you know when you get home, that the nightmare can erupt at any minute. You aren't sleeping. You're on pins and needles all the time. You feel like a coward for staying. But you feel like a coward if you leave. You have no home to take the kids to. He doesn't abuse them, so how can you justify taking them? But how can you leave them? You don't trust that his temper won't turn on them. And you KNOW he's going to be furious when he finds out you're gone.

 

Your job won't support all of you on your own. You really don't have access to money that he won't find out. You don't want to rip the kids from their schools, friends, family and run across country. Well, you want to, but you know they won't want to go. You're their mother! How can you leave them?

 

 

 

 

 

RTS....those are real thoughts, real fears, real issues faced by battered wives and mothers. It's not as simple as leaving. You are simply way off base in your simple solution.

Forgiveness once is one thing, after the second time it should be obvious that he's not going to stop. He's not name calling, he's hitting, time to go.

You go to your family with your kids until you find a better job, you don't stay and take the beatings and you certainly don kill him in his sleep. The kids really lose then.