January 21, 200917 yr Quite honestly, I believe that racism is a part of everyones life. We were lead to believe that if a white person did not vote for Barrack, then they were racist. But when a Black person said that they would vote for Barrack because he was black, then are they not racist? If you did not vote for Palin because she was a women, anything? Racism is perpatrator by every member of society in some shape or form. I am over weight, so I know that there are some jobs that I cannot get. Well if they do not want me for how I am, then I do not want them. I do not see an end in site for subtle racisim, every person, regardless of skin color, makes assumptions about others based on something other than the soul of the person.
January 21, 200917 yr I always feel the same way. But what about when a black person describes a black athlete that way? Yesterday on Mike and Mike Kordell Stewart described Larry Fitzgerald as being articulate. It always reminds me of the Chris Rock bit about Colin Powell. The only argument I would like to offer in regard to articulate, is that articulate is more than enunciation. Articulate also means being able to clearly convey one's thoughts. With regard to athletes, there's a general "dumb jock" perception, which I don't think has to do with race. :lol:
January 21, 200917 yr This has happened to me on numerous occasions. Being bi-racial, I've had many arguments with people when I've said that I was black, and they disagreed. Their argument was that I was just as much white as black, which is correct. However, society sees me as an African-American. The easiest way for me to explain it to those folks is that when I go a white man's house to take his daughter out, he doesn't see me as half-white, he sees me as half-black, or black all together. I've also experienced times when my mother and I (she is white) have been out in public and have gotten many stares. She says that used to happen a lot more when I was younger. We have friends in the Danville area. They adopted an Indian child who appears in pigment as looking more African-American. When her mother (who is white) was taking their daughter through Lowes they stopped to speak with my mother-in-law. After the two parted company my mother-in-law turned to hear two people say, "It's a shame the way those people intermarry and have children like that." I dealt with a guy whose heart is great but he had a hard time accepting his daughter dating an african-american guy. He asked me if there was something against that in the Bible. I told him as far as I could read and understand scripture, any admonition vs. this was about religion and false gods, not race. (I also pointed out that Jesus was of mixed blood in his family tree. Ruth was Moabite, not Hebrew) That man prayed about it and now has a talking relationship with his daughter and is fighting the race demons. He's one of the greatest servant Christians I've known. I could probably add some more if time permitted.
January 21, 200917 yr The only argument I would like to offer in regard to articulate, is that articulate is more than enunciation. Articulate also means being able to clearly convey one's thoughts. With regard to athletes, there's a general "dumb jock" perception, which I don't think has to do with race. :lol: But you never hear someone say that of a white athlete at least that I can think of.
January 21, 200917 yr But you never hear someone say that of a white athlete at least that I can think of. Well, I will say that I personally have had that thought about some athletes, some rap artists, and even some people I just randomly have met. It hasn't been limited to race. It's absolutely deplorable on my part, and I'm trying hard to overcome it.
January 21, 200917 yr “Everyone was up in arms about Michael Richards using the N-word, but subtle words like this are more insidious,” Mr. Hughley said. “It’s like weight loss. The last few pounds are the hardest to get rid of. It’s the last vestiges of racism that are hard to get rid of.” Quote from an interesting article/piece I found online: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/04/weekinreview/04clemetson.html
January 21, 200917 yr About 18 years ago, I had an brother-in-law who was using the 'N' word in front of my 1 year old son as well as his. I took him aside and advised him that it was bad enough that he was polluting his own son with that garbage but that he would never use that word in front of my son ever again. To my knowledge, he never did. These days, I see more subtle racism from others whereas 25 years ago it was much more blatant. Little jokes and innuendos that are disturbing. Whenever I hear/see these types of incidents, I wonder how much further we still have to go in our society until we are rid of this.
January 21, 200917 yr I personally do not believe that the "articulate" comments in regards to athletes is NOT a racial issue. I do believe that "Dumb Jock" perception causes part of these comments. I also think that people assume because an athlete makes millions of dollars and left school early, that they do not aspire to "learn" or need to worry about how their words are perceived. I have two sons, that I would not want doing an interview as neither are well spoken or articulate. They are a couple of mumbling morons. They do not see the need for verbal communication when they can email, text, or instant message someone. For me, if this comment is offensive thenthose that it offends are harbouring more racist thoughts than the person making the comment.
January 21, 200917 yr Some of the text messages I have gotten over the past few months are really telling. I understand they are jokes, but I just erase them. I have really learned some things from some friends of mine, that I didn't know.
January 21, 200917 yr As the gringo in Mexico, dating a Mexican girl, I took some heat. However, most of the people were cool, so I didn't care too much about what they had to say. It got really bad when we invaded Iraq.
January 21, 200917 yr Some of the text messages I have gotten over the past few months are really telling. I understand they are jokes, but I just erase them. I have really learned some things from some friends of mine, that I didn't know. In regards to Obama? If so I completely agree we see it all over. It is disturbing.
January 22, 200917 yr I've noticed that the neighborhood dogs seem to chase my black cat more than my white/yellow cat. Pretty upsetting.
January 22, 200917 yr I've noticed that the neighborhood dogs seem to chase my black cat more than my white/yellow cat. Pretty upsetting. :laugh::laugh::laugh:
January 22, 200917 yr Quite honestly, I believe that racism is a part of everyones life. We were lead to believe that if a white person did not vote for Barrack, then they were racist. But when a Black person said that they would vote for Barrack because he was black, then are they not racist? If you did not vote for Palin because she was a women, anything? Racism is perpatrator by every member of society in some shape or form. I am over weight, so I know that there are some jobs that I cannot get. Well if they do not want me for how I am, then I do not want them. I do not see an end in site for subtle racisim, every person, regardless of skin color, makes assumptions about others based on something other than the soul of the person. :thumb: Nice post!
January 22, 200917 yr Raised in Alabama in the 60s. Played/ate/slept over/ with kids of the black race. My parents/family didn't like it. To this day some of my best friends are Black. I worked in a shop with over 400 men. Racism was strong. The railroad was a rough place to work and is tradition rich. I believe to a certain point that all mankind has issues with the other race. Best example that we all heard before...You walk down an alley by yourself and approaching you is three people of the opposite race....how do you feel compared meeting three of the same race as you? I think we all have come a long way and my kids have never ever heard me say anything negative about any groups different than myself. Judge me not by the color of my skin, but by my character. There is no color in Heaven.
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