January 20, 200917 yr Didn't say that. But I contend they don't have as much freedom and upperhand as you think. One slip of the tongue even in an innocent way and they will be shunted and thrown out of office or removed from where they are. And if you are saying that women and minorities are held back like they were 50 years ago, I won't ever be convinced of that either. If this weren't a public forum, I'd give you example, after example, after example of reasons why I get disgusted when I hear "white men" cry about being "held down".
January 20, 200917 yr :notworthy: I can't think of standing in the presence of the great Karnack that knows all and reads all intentions. :ohbrother:Cut off your nose despite your face. God knows, only us white men can be racist. :ohbrother:
January 20, 200917 yr Didn't say that. But I contend they don't have as much freedom and upperhand as you think. One slip of the tongue even in an innocent way and they will be shunted and thrown out of office or removed from where they are. And if you are saying that women and minorities are held back like they were 50 years ago, I won't ever be convinced of that either. :clap:
January 20, 200917 yr Cut off your nose despite your face. God knows, only us white men can be racist. :ohbrother: Dr. Joseph E. Lowery was the pastor who gave the benediction. In honoring the civil rights movement, Mr. Obama has asked the Rev. Dr. Joseph E. Lowery, dean of the civil rights movement and co-founder with the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, to deliver the benediction. He quoted part of what is referred to as "The Negro National Anthem" but whose proper title is: "Lift Every Voice and Sing." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lift_Every_Voice_and_Sing The text of the entire song is as follows: Lift every voice and sing, 'Til earth and heaven ring, Ring with the harmonies of Liberty; Let our rejoicing rise High as the listening skies, Let it resound loud as the rolling sea. Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us, Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us; Facing the rising sun of our new day begun, Let us march on 'til victory is won. Stony the road we trod, Bitter the chast'ning rod, Felt in the days when hope unborn had died; Yet with a steady beat, Have not our weary feet Come to the place for which our fathers sighed? We have come over a way that with tears has been watered, We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered, Out from the gloomy past, 'Til now we stand at last Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast. God of our weary years, God of our silent tears, Thou who has brought us thus far on the way; Thou who has by Thy might Led us into the light, Keep us forever in the path, we pray. Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee, Lest, our hearts drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee; Shadowed beneath Thy hand, May we forever stand, True to our God, True to our native land. The part we seem to be taking offense to is the following: His invocation included the following passage: "Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get in back, when brown can stick around, when yellow will be mellow, when the red man can get ahead, man; and when white will embrace what is right. That all those who do justice and love mercy say Amen. Say Amen". The line is part of a civil rights chant that Lowery has included in many speeches over the years BTW, the Minister in question is 87 years old. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Lowery Just a little background that might help us read minds better.
January 20, 200917 yr Author Dr. Joseph E. Lowery was the pastor who gave the benediction. In honoring the civil rights movement, Mr. Obama has asked the Rev. Dr. Joseph E. Lowery, dean of the civil rights movement and co-founder with the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, to deliver the benediction. He quoted part of what is referred to as "The Negro National Anthem" but whose proper title is: "Lift Every Voice and Sing." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lift_Every_Voice_and_Sing The text of the entire song is as follows: Lift every voice and sing, 'Til earth and heaven ring, Ring with the harmonies of Liberty; Let our rejoicing rise High as the listening skies, Let it resound loud as the rolling sea. Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us, Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us; Facing the rising sun of our new day begun, Let us march on 'til victory is won. Stony the road we trod, Bitter the chast'ning rod, Felt in the days when hope unborn had died; Yet with a steady beat, Have not our weary feet Come to the place for which our fathers sighed? We have come over a way that with tears has been watered, We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered, Out from the gloomy past, 'Til now we stand at last Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast. God of our weary years, God of our silent tears, Thou who has brought us thus far on the way; Thou who has by Thy might Led us into the light, Keep us forever in the path, we pray. Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee, Lest, our hearts drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee; Shadowed beneath Thy hand, May we forever stand, True to our God, True to our native land. The part we seem to be taking offense to is the following: His invocation included the following passage: "Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get in back, when brown can stick around, when yellow will be mellow, when the red man can get ahead, man; and when white will embrace what is right. That all those who do justice and love mercy say Amen. Say Amen". The line is part of a civil rights chant that Lowery has included in many speeches over the years BTW, the Minister in question is 87 years old. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Lowery Just a little background that might help us read minds better. What would happen on a Sunday afternoon in April at Martinsville Speedway if he gave that little prayer before the start of the race ? :ohbrother:
January 20, 200917 yr Let me as YOU this...if the minister had said "black man" would you have a problem with this? All races are mentioned. It's a prayer for ALL people. To single out one phrase is to ignore the whole message. Like so many things, people take something out of context, the context loses it's meaning, and someone gets upset. It's also editorializing which you were against in the Rick Warren prayer thread.
January 20, 200917 yr Dr. Joseph E. Lowery was the pastor who gave the benediction. In honoring the civil rights movement, Mr. Obama has asked the Rev. Dr. Joseph E. Lowery, dean of the civil rights movement and co-founder with the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, to deliver the benediction. He quoted part of what is referred to as "The Negro National Anthem" but whose proper title is: "Lift Every Voice and Sing." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lift_Every_Voice_and_Sing The text of the entire song is as follows: Lift every voice and sing, 'Til earth and heaven ring, Ring with the harmonies of Liberty; Let our rejoicing rise High as the listening skies, Let it resound loud as the rolling sea. Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us, Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us; Facing the rising sun of our new day begun, Let us march on 'til victory is won. Stony the road we trod, Bitter the chast'ning rod, Felt in the days when hope unborn had died; Yet with a steady beat, Have not our weary feet Come to the place for which our fathers sighed? We have come over a way that with tears has been watered, We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered, Out from the gloomy past, 'Til now we stand at last Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast. God of our weary years, God of our silent tears, Thou who has brought us thus far on the way; Thou who has by Thy might Led us into the light, Keep us forever in the path, we pray. Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee, Lest, our hearts drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee; Shadowed beneath Thy hand, May we forever stand, True to our God, True to our native land. The part we seem to be taking offense to is the following: His invocation included the following passage: "Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get in back, when brown can stick around, when yellow will be mellow, when the red man can get ahead, man; and when white will embrace what is right. That all those who do justice and love mercy say Amen. Say Amen". The line is part of a civil rights chant that Lowery has included in many speeches over the years BTW, the Minister in question is 87 years old. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Lowery Just a little background that might help us read minds better. I'm sorry Hatz, I didn't realize you're the only one allowed to read minds. :isurrender:
January 20, 200917 yr It's also editorializing which you were against in the Rick Warren prayer thread. I'm not sure what you're saying. If one is quoting something, as apparently Rev. Lowery was, it's not editorializing. And, even in that thread you reference, I stated that I wasn't sure I was expressing what my feelings were adequately. In a nutshell, I don't understand what you are saying by your comment.
January 20, 200917 yr I'm sorry Hatz, I didn't realize you're the only one allowed to read minds. :isurrender: Hatz wasn't reading minds. He was giving context. To understand someone's intent, wouldn't it be prudent to understand the man?
January 20, 200917 yr I don't see a problem with it. Just mentioning race doesn't make one a racist. I think people need to understand that.
January 20, 200917 yr I don't see a problem with it. Just mentioning race doesn't make one a racist. I think people need to understand that. :thumb: I agree entirely. I appreciate the intent of it, if not the lack of eloquence.
January 20, 200917 yr I really don't get what is the big deal here... Because people are going to find every little microscopic thing to complain about when it comes to Obama or the people around him... They are that upset that he was elected. GET OVER IT. (Obviously not directed at you HB. :thumb:)
January 20, 200917 yr As a white man I am not offended by the least bit. This country has been ran by old white men since the beginning. Guess what, they have stuck it to poeple of color (all color) since the beginning. If you think the United States of America is a placed where all men and women are treated equal, then you are going through the world with blinders on. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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